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  • Okay, I took your suggestion and went and submitted a feature request to Cakewalk. time will tell.

    thanx again for your consideration.

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    • Here's a quickie compression option for 2:1 compression:

      1. Divide all values by 2.
      2. Add 64 to all values.
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      • For "limiting," just add a constant to all values.
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        • Craig...

          Going back to the External Insert Plug-In for a moment...the main reason I upgraded to v7 was for this ability. I simply wanted to be able to master w/ one machine (PC.) Then I read your post back on page 3 or 4 or wherever; & found that I can do the same thing in earlier versions of SONAR ???

          This is pretty disconcerting...considering I'm running SONAR5 right now (haven't opened v7's box yet)...but judging from 7's trial version...I'm not real happy w/ the quality of the text (compared w/ v5). Specifically, the text in the Control Windows (In the Audio & MIDI Track control modules...at the left...Input, Output, FX Bin, Vol, Pan, etc.) looks cheap & jagged. I suppose it's because they've gone for a more streamlined approach...but the fonts look too linear...like the letters & numbers are displayed in straight line-stroke segments...[instead of smooth & radial (like in SONAR5)].

          [This is merely a disappointment, mind you...not a big bitch or anything. It's just that I'm a huge graphics meister; & was hoping for better font quality.]

          But having said all this...since you've also said this is not a 'major' upgrade...aside from the MIDI enhancements (which I'll probably use), I'm a bit miffed (or at least scratching my head as to why I upgraded).

          Oh...on the mastering thing...I wanted to be able to route the full, stereo mix from a project, out & thru a hardware compressor/limiter; & recapture it in an adjacent stereo audio track...no big deal? (&; w/ a final mastering approach such as this...delay or latency doesn't matter.)

          But...can this be accomplished cleanly (in 7...or even prior versions)?

          Thanks,

          MoonMix

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          • Yes, I do that kind of thing all the time. BTW it's true you could always use external effects in Sonar, BUT they didn't have delay compensation (you had to do it manually), and also, you couldn't use them as insert plug-ins -- you always had to go out to a bus, then bring the processed sound in through a separate track. So the insert thing in S7 is more about making it convenient and more accessible, than being some breakthrough new thing you could never do before.

            However, the addition of the sidechainable effects, which is is big deal in terms of the upgrade, obviates about 70% of the reason I needed to use external effects.
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            • As to the fonts...that's something I never really noticed, and I don't find it problematic.

              Since you're running Sonar 5, I strongly suggest installing Sonar 7!!! It's not just about what's been added in 7, but also, all the stuff that was added in 6. The cumulative effect of the two updates is huge. After using 7 for the past couple months I would not want to go back to 5. And actually, given how much I use MIDI, I wouldn't want to go back to 6 either.
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              • First, Craig, I really appreciate your reviews and keep them on my shelf right next to Scott Garrigus' books as well as your Sonar Insider! So thanks.

                Have you (or anyone else) had big problems loading certain Z3TA+ programs? Particularly, the bank C 002 program, "superstring"? BEFORE TRYING, please turn off your monitors and unplug headphones--just watch the meters. . . If you get the sound I get, it's horrendously loud and like someone blowing air out really quickly. It always kills the audio engine and a few times has caused a fatal error and Sonar crash.

                Will some readers try this and let me know? I can't imagine what it could be in my system (a brand new quad core w 4G RAM from a top DAW builder with an RME FF400 interface). I've even eliminated my controller (M-Audio Axiom) by just triggering the Z3TA+ program with the ribbon at the bottom of the GUI. Unfortunately, this seems to happen in quite a few Z3TA+ programs (at least quite a few in the C bank).

                Please let me know if anyone can recreate this. Thanks very much!!!

                Kevin

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                • The Superstring program works fine for me. Just tried it...

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                  • Same here. Maybe re-install the content?
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                    • Same here. Maybe re-install the content?


                      Thanks guys. I reinstalled Z3TA+ and same problem. I also had this problem on my last DAW (one of the reasons I got this new one. . .); so I've recreated this problem on two systems. Totally baffled as just about the only things that have been consistent between systems are: me, the RME Fireface (that shouldn't affect Z3TA+ though?), and the Sonar/Z3TA+ installations (I've eliminated the controller). I'm starting to suspect an actual error on my disc. I also just had the same problem when I brought Z3TA+ up in Project5.

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                      • Try increaseing latency, or using WDM instead of ASIO drivers. Check for new drivers...might be an audio-related issue.
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                        • What sampling rate are you using in your projects? I've found that for some reason (and I don't know why) that Dimension Pro (and possibly Rapture, but I don't recall at the moment) doesn't like to play properly at sampling rates above 48kHz. The same problem might occur with z3ta+, but I haven't tested it.

                          Scott

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                          • i had also found z3ta+ to be very loud when i firste got it - however now it's no too bad, maybe since i installed the 7.01 patch? try that and see if it works...

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                            • Thanks MHaigh, Craig, and Scott. That's definitely helped--ever since I got the Fireface and had problems with WDM, I switched to ASIO and stopped thinking about drivers entirely. I can get the (mostly C bank) programs to work; but only when I'm using WDM and at 48K. I'm actually very relieved that there is some progress! I am kind of concerned with being stuck using 48K though as I almost always work at 96K. . . It does still seem like a driver problem since CPU doesn't ramp up normally, but spikes instantly. In fact, just switching to certain programs (@ 96K), not even triggering a note, will trigger 100% CPU and maxing of levels (including the Master w fader set all the way down). Surely this is some kind of driver incompatability with these programs and 96K. . . I guess I need to try to get RME to duplicate this. I'd rather not be stuck in 48K whenever I want to use some programs (?).

                              Thanks very much, again. Just seeing some changes really helps; I was pretty bummed, having gotten a new DAW and still seeing these same problems.

                              Kevin

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                              • Pitch-to-MIDI! Cool! Let's see how well it works.

                                I decided to start with something simple, yet possibly challenging: Creating a kick drum part for triggering Session Drummer 2. I inserted an audio track, plugged in a mic, clicked record, and started going "dum dum dum dum da-dum dum da-da-da-da-da-dum etc." (you get the idea).

                                The way pitch-to-MIDI works is decidedly easy. After you record the audio, you right-click on the audio clip and select V-Vocal > Create V-Vocal Clip, as shown in the first image. Then if you want to set up pitch range and amount of ticks between pitch bend events, you right-click on the V-Vocal Edit Window and call up Pitch-to-MIDI settings (we'll get into this a bit more later). Then, you drag the MIDI note icon (the bottom icon in the vertical toolbar shown in the left of the second image) into a MIDI track, and there's your converted clip.

                                But...it seems my "dums" weren't a consistent enough pitch (or actually no pitch at all), because the notes - while representing the correct rhythm - were all over the map, pitch-wise. This wasn't real good for triggering a kick drum, so before continuing, I had to figure out a way to transpose them all to the same pitch. Which brings us to a brief detour into...
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