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  • #31
    >>>What is "hard tune"? Is is exactly like auto-tune with the same sound/effect but just with a different name?



    HardTune is our name for the A...Tune effect. It's like that effect with an update that will track your guitar chords so you don't have to set key if you're in a hurry. You can also back off on the tune speed so it becomes a more transparent pitch corrector. If you want to get crazy, HardTune also has octave shifting.



    >>>Also, I need to use the "telephone" sound (the Beatles Come Together, Dave Edmunds I Hear You Knocking etc.). Can I get that by editing the "megaphone" effect you mention?



    Yup, that's the one. There are already pre-programmed Transducer styles in VoiceLive 2 so you don't have to edit if you don't want to. Of course, you can dig right in with the distortion and band limiting parameters if you really want.
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    • #32
      I'm currently playing with a band in which I sing but don't play guitar and no one in the band is providing back up vox. That means that I'd need to route one of the guitar players through the VL2. Obviously, that guitar player is going to be concerned about the effect on his signal/tone.



      Is there some way that you could compare the sound of a guitar run through the VL2 into an amp with the sound of the same guitar directly into the amp?

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      • #33
        Great to find this voice live 2 forum...I'm curious about something on my new voice live 2...you know how there's no such thing as a dumb question?



        I play lead and sing lead mostly...do I need to tell the unit what key/scale I'm using all the time? I see Tom mentions he has a few presets that cover 90% of his needs. How does this work? I'm often not playing chords with thirds in them....do I need to alter my playing style accordingly?



        As well, when I use the 'guitar thru' connection there is often a little 'wierdness' coming out of my amp for the first couple of notes/chords that I play. What is going on there?



        Thanks again, from the begining of the long learning curve,

        JimC

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        • #34






          Quote Originally Posted by dug dog
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          I'm currently playing with a band in which I sing but don't play guitar and no one in the band is providing back up vox. That means that I'd need to route one of the guitar players through the VL2. Obviously, that guitar player is going to be concerned about the effect on his signal/tone.




          You could split the line so that the guitar follows two paths: one goes through the guitarist's effects and amp as normal; the other goes to the VoiceLive 2 (but doesn't come out). You'd need a simple splitter box for this. This would have no effect on the tone.








          Is there some way that you could compare the sound of a guitar run through the VL2 into an amp with the sound of the same guitar directly into the amp?



          The VoiceLive 2 has a "Thru" jack in the back that simply passes the guitar signal through the box. Even though the unit offers guitar effects, you don't have to use them. You can bypass them. You are running the guitar signal through an extra box, but the effect would be minimal. If your guitarist is hypersensitive to this, he can always listen to the two scenarios (going direct through his gear vs. going first through the VoiceLive 2) to make sure there's no perceived effect on the sound.



          But my vote would be to split the signal at the beginning of the chain.
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          • #35






            Quote Originally Posted by Jon Chappell
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            You could split the line so that the guitar follows two paths: one goes through the guitarist's effects and amp as normal; the other goes to the VoiceLive 2 (but doesn't come out).




            Thanks for the feedback. I must say I'm a bit embarassed that I didn't think of that fairly obvious solution.



            Cheers.

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            • #36






              Quote Originally Posted by dug dog
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              Thanks for the feedback. I must say I'm a bit embarassed that I didn't think of that fairly obvious solution.




              It's a good question, actually. Many guitarists are aware that they can split their guitar's output signal with no compromise to the tone, but some aren't. And probably most singers who don't dabble in guitar gear aren't aware that you can do this.



              Since introducing a vocal harmonizer into a band may often come at the singer's urging, a little discussion of the possibilities are in order.



              The VoiceLive 2 can create harmonies from a pre-defined scale (where no instrument input is required), from the audio of a guitar (where a guitar input is required, but it could be one leg of a split signal), or from a MIDI input (either guitar or keyboard). You can also drive the harmonies from an auxiliary source, like the output of an mp3 player, but you're less likely to find this in a band situation. But it does create another use for buying karaoke tracks online!
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              • #37
                It's great to see this review, as I've been looking at the VoiceLive2 for some time now! I have a few questions, however, that haven't yet been clarified in the ongoing review:



                1. How does one deal with harmonica sounds? I understand that I can simply turn off the harmonizer when I take out the harp, but I'm thinking about tone. Does blowing the harp through the vocal mic mess up the auto-engineered tone? If (as I assume) the VoiceLive2 readjusts the tone settings to optimize the harp, it may well take some time to readjust back to my voice when I start singing again. Would I be able to play a song that alternates vocal and harp lines?



                2. Does the guitar effects include a tuner? (The Harmony-G does, and it's a useful feature.)



                3. Does the modulation in the guitar effects produce a useful chorus sound?
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                • #38






                  Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Jack
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                  It's great to see this review, as I've been looking at the VoiceLive2 for some time now! I have a few questions, however, that haven't yet been clarified in the ongoing review:



                  1. How does one deal with harmonica sounds? I understand that I can simply turn off the harmonizer when I take out the harp, but I'm thinking about tone. Does blowing the harp through the vocal mic mess up the auto-engineered tone? If (as I assume) the VoiceLive2 readjusts the tone settings to optimize the harp, it may well take some time to readjust back to my voice when I start singing again. Would I be able to play a song that alternates vocal and harp lines?



                  2. Does the guitar effects include a tuner? (The Harmony-G does, and it's a useful feature.)



                  3. Does the modulation in the guitar effects produce a useful chorus sound?




                  Question 1: The automatic mic gain works only when you press and hold the reverb switch to activate it. After you get your vocal level set, you don't need to reactivate it for the harmonica. The harmonica just "uses" the vocal setting (as it would be in the real world). As for the adaptive functions--Tone, EQ, Compression, and Gate--all of them can be turned off once your vocal sound is set. It requires four separate knob turns, so it's a bit of a hassle. And these functions are global, meaning they can't be saved as a preset. So I'm not sure that turning them off is practical. But my experience is that the adaptive techniques work quickly and transparently, though I've never tried alternating with a harmonica. I have alternated, in quick succession, with my wife, whose voice is obviously very different from mine. And neither of us can hear the unit "working." Perhaps Tom has some insight here.



                  Questions 2 and 3: yes and yes. The Guitar FX section offers 24 different modulation effects (independent from the reverb), including such chorus or chorus-like effects as Micromod Clone, Micromod Wider, Thicken, Light Chorus, Medium Chorus, Wide Chorus, Mono Chorus, and Fast Rotor. Then it has several flanger effects. Judging the effects are a matter of taste, but I find them musical and useful, even though the only editable parameter is a level control. So if tweaking the chorus is important for your guitar sound, you may want to consider an outboard effect. The tuner works well and as expected.
                  Jon Chappell
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                  • #39






                    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Chappell
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                    It's a good question, actually. Many guitarists are aware that they can split their guitar's output signal with no compromise to the tone, but some aren't. And probably most singers who don't dabble in guitar gear aren't aware that you can do this.



                    Since introducing a vocal harmonizer into a band my often come at the singer's urging, a little discussion of the possibilities are in order.



                    The VoiceLive 2 can create harmonies from a pre-defined scale (where no instrument input is required), from the audio of a guitar (where a guitar input is required, but it could be one leg of a split signal), or from a MIDI input (either guitar or keyboard). You can also drive the harmonies from an auxiliary source, like the output of an mp3 player, but you're less likely to find this in a band situation. But it does create another use for buying karaoke tracks online!




                    This driving of "the harmonies from an auxiliary source, like the output of an mp3 player, but you're less likely to find this in a band situation. But it does create another use for buying karaoke tracks online!" I assume you mean an independent soloed vocal track guide and not that the unit can extract the relevant harmony data from a fully mixed ensemble source.

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                    • #40






                      Quote Originally Posted by Chumly
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                      I assume you mean an independent soloed vocal track guide and not that the unit can extract the relevant harmony data from a fully mixed ensemble source.




                      No, I mean that the unit can derive the harmony from the fully mixed ensemble.



                      From page 29 in the manual:

                      Singing To Music Playback

                      VoiceLive 2 can derive musical information from fully mixed music tracks. For this alternative you’ll need:
                      • Music source device.This could be an MP3 player, computer, CD player etc.

                      • Recorded music without vocals.This could be your latest CD tracks minus your vocals or Karaoke tracks available on the web

                      Connect as described for MP3 Player (AUX input) in the Quick Start section. When you power up VoiceLive 2, it will auto-recognize the AUX input as the harmony music source. Choose a harmony preset and play your music source. You should hear your music, voice and the harmonies in your PA system or headphones.



                      Jon Chappell
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                      • #41






                        Quote Originally Posted by Jon Chappell
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                        No, I mean that the unit can derive the harmony from the fully mixed ensemble.




                        That's intriguing and AFAICT way beyond the abilities of the Digitech VL4 in this regard, yes?



                        Have you tried it in this mode and if so how well does it discern the underlying key and the apropos harmony interval as compared to a chordal guitar input only?



                        What do you figure it's "listening" to, the bass line and/or chordal parts?



                        Would it work on just bass and drums?



                        What would it do if there was no pitched portion in the middle of the tune from which to discern a reference? Would it get "confused" trying to discern a key and harmony interval from the drums alone?



                        What if you do not want to hear the bass/drums/keys through the VoiceLive 2, but only the voice and the harmonies because the bass/drums/keys are already fed directly to the PA?



                        Obliged and interested!

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                        • #42






                          Quote Originally Posted by dug dog
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                          I'm currently playing with a band in which I sing but don't play guitar and no one in the band is providing back up vox. That means that I'd need to route one of the guitar players through the VL2. Obviously, that guitar player is going to be concerned about the effect on his signal/tone.



                          Is there some way that you could compare the sound of a guitar run through the VL2 into an amp with the sound of the same guitar directly into the amp?




                          This is a great method. If your guitarist is concerned about his tone (and that's a good thing) you guys can do a quick test by connecting the guitar directly to his pedalboard/amp first, having a listen then inserting VoiceLive 2 in the chain. You might have to switch the ground - that's why the switch is there - but the tone should be unaffected.



                          My signal chain is guitar > VoiceLive 2 > Cry Baby, etc. etc. > Line 6 Echo Park > Fender 65 Deluxe reissue (non-vibrato channel). Nice!
                          Tom Lang : TC-Helicon

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                          • #43






                            Quote Originally Posted by JimC
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                            I play lead and sing lead mostly...do I need to tell the unit what key/scale I'm using all the time? I see Tom mentions he has a few presets that cover 90% of his needs. How does this work? I'm often not playing chords with thirds in them....do I need to alter my playing style accordingly?



                            As well, when I use the 'guitar thru' connection there is often a little 'wierdness' coming out of my amp for the first couple of notes/chords that I play. What is going on there?

                            JimC




                            If you're playing chords without thirds, then chord recognition's not the way to go. You must be playing hard rock/metal music (right?). It's not that VoiceLive 2 ignores the chords you're playing when no 3rd is present, we're still trying to make sense of what you're playing and offering what we think you'd like.



                            When harmonizing on a song chorus, my chords typically contain thirds. For some songs I use the same presets but I kick in the key/scale I want because this type of harmony works well on some songs. Scale mode also allows your guitar playing to wander into fills/riffs/basslines when you're harmonizing.



                            Re: Wierdness for the first few chords. Please use the VoiceSupport application to update to the latest version. This should fix it.
                            Tom Lang : TC-Helicon

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                            • #44






                              Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Jack
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                              1. How does one deal with harmonica sounds? I understand that I can simply turn off the harmonizer when I take out the harp, but I'm thinking about tone. Does blowing the harp through the vocal mic mess up the auto-engineered tone? If (as I assume) the VoiceLive2 readjusts the tone settings to optimize the harp, it may well take some time to readjust back to my voice when I start singing again. Would I be able to play a song that alternates vocal and harp lines?



                              2. Does the guitar effects include a tuner? (The Harmony-G does, and it's a useful feature.)



                              3. Does the modulation in the guitar effects produce a useful chorus sound?




                              Re Q1: Harmonica! Yeah! How cool you want to get some effects on your harp. The distortion/megaphone effects would be totally cool. Tone is engineered for vocals, plain and simple. It would probably make your harmonica quite bright. The compression would likely be welcome though. You can edit the Tone feature so it's not automatic if you prefer - there's a 3 band EQ that you could tweak to optimize both your harp and singing voice I believe.



                              Re Q2: Yes, there is a tuner



                              Re Q3: Yes, there is a nice chorus in there. There are some other modulation effects that you might like to try as well.
                              Tom Lang : TC-Helicon

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                              • #45
                                Hi Tom,



                                are you able/willing to address my queries as per my post number 41 and my prior dialogue? Jon seems to have evaporated as of late, not that he has not been helpful overall.

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