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  • Quote Originally Posted by smallmouth
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    How would you downgrade or revert to the original system? Would it still be available on line?




    Yes, all the updates are listed, and kept on the site, in chronological order. It's easy to roll back if you have to.
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    • Hi, Jon,



      My first post here and been reading your reviews and tips for the Voicelive 2.. Excellent..



      I think that I have much of it down after only an hour, but I need to know if it will work with my computer that I use to play my backing tracks at my gigs.



      I use a small PC with an external Sound Blaster card and I play my backing tracks from WIN AMP..



      My question is



      In the manual it says that I can control the volume of my tracks via the MP3 player. However, this does me no good as my sound blaster card goes to 2 channels on the board via RCA to XLR and thus control my track volume via the faders.



      How do I hook up my computer/Sound card so that I can still control the music via my board faders and still use the music as Harmony controller. Is there a through method for the Computer/MD like there is for the guitar or will Voice and Music be combined?



      Hope that I explained that well..



      Anyway, thanks in advance..

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      • Quote Originally Posted by Drowner77
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        In the manual it says that I can control the volume of my tracks via the MP3 player. However, this does me no good as my sound blaster card goes to 2 channels on the board via RCA to XLR and thus control my track volume via the faders.



        How do I hook up my computer/Sound card so that I can still control the music via my board faders and still use the music as Harmony controller. Is there a through method for the Computer/MD like there is for the guitar or will Voice and Music be combined?




        There are a few ways to accomplish this, but the two easiest are as follows:

        1) Take a line out of the mixer (from the headphone jack, a direct out, or an aux send, etc.) and feed that to the mp3 input. You'll need an adapter to convert the output of the mixer to the stereo mini plug, but you can get that at RadioShack.



        2) Split the output of the mp3 player with a Y cord/headphone splitter. Feed one leg to the VL2 and one to the mixer. Again, you'll need adapters to fit the task, but these are easily acquired.



        There is no Thru function for the aux in/mp3, as there is for the guitar input. But TC figures that it's easier to split the audio signals using the above-mentioned methods than it is to split the guitar signal.
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        • Jon, thank you very much.. I should have thought of that..



          It works..



          Glad you're here...



          D-

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          • Quote Originally Posted by Jon Chappell
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            There are a few ways to accomplish this, but the two easiest are as follows:

            1) Take a line out of the mixer (from the headphone jack, a direct out, or an aux send, etc.) and feed that to the mp3 input. You'll need an adapter to convert the output of the mixer to the stereo mini plug, but you can get that at RadioShack.



            2) Split the output of the mp3 player with a Y cord/headphone splitter. Feed one leg to the VL2 and one to the mixer. Again, you'll need adapters to fit the task, but these are easily acquired.



            There is no Thru function for the aux in/mp3, as there is for the guitar input. But TC figures that it's easier to split the audio signals using the above-mentioned methods than it is to split the guitar signal.






            Hi, Jon, spoke too soon..



            We have tried both methods, however, we cannot seem to get just vocals out of the unit..



            Have I done something wrong? Apologies because I am not very technical and get really confused with these things..



            Let me see if I can explain..



            I have mic in channel one, which I assume that I would plug mic into the Voicelive first and then take the line out from the voice live and put it into the line in on channel one..



            In Channel Two and Three I have my backing tracks..



            Setting up the way that you suggest gives me music and vocals out of the AUX into channel one...



            We did notice that there is a guitar mute function. Is there a music mute function?



            If not can I use the guitar input and the guitar mute function to put my Computer music through? If so how?



            It is really important that I am able to get a vocals only output from the VL2, while using the MP3's as the signal source..



            Thanks again, and sorry if I am being dense.

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            • Quote Originally Posted by Drowner77
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              We have tried both methods, however, we cannot seem to get just vocals out of the unit... Setting up the way that you suggest gives me music and vocals out of the AUX into channel one...

              We did notice that there is a guitar mute function. Is there a music mute function?



              If not can I use the guitar input and the guitar mute function to put my Computer music through? If so how? ... It is really important that I am able to get a vocals only output from the VL2, while using the MP3's as the signal source..




              I had the same question, and also thought of using the Guitar Input with mute activated. But product specialist Tom Lang says the inputs are designed differently and that the mp3/aux input expects a more complex signal (with drums, bass, etc.). His actual words:





              The way to not hear what's coming in the Aux input is to turn the Aux Level parameter in the Setup I/O menu to Off. Jon asked me about this offline and may actually be responding as well.



              Here's the complete context and response from Tom: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/...5&postcount=47



              But great minds think alike, eh?
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              • I just got the voicelive 2 and so far great. I use the midi input from one keyboard. I use the headphones out from the other keyboard into the Aux and the guitar in with my guitar. I set the naturalplay to autosense and it reads all three. For some reason I could not get the midi to work on the keyboard I am using the phone jack out so glad it worked thru the aux.



                One thing though Sometimes on some presets like some drum patches on the keyboard I use with midi. It shuts off the harmonys on all presets and the only way I can find to get them back is a reboot and system restore by holding down the three buttons. I am probably missing something easy so I would not have to reboot. Also not sure why it would shut them off. Also happens should you have VL on first then turn the midi keyboard on.

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                • Quote Originally Posted by bkpie
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                  I just got the voicelive 2 and so far great. I use the midi input from one keyboard. I use the headphones out from the other keyboard into the Aux and the guitar in with my guitar. I set the naturalplay to autosense and it reads all three. For some reason I could not get the midi to work on the keyboard I am using the phone jack out so glad it worked thru the aux.



                  One thing though Sometimes on some presets like some drum patches on the keyboard I use with midi. It shuts off the harmonys on all presets and the only way I can find to get them back is a reboot and system restore by holding down the three buttons. I am probably missing something easy so I would not have to reboot. Also not sure why it would shut them off. Also happens should you have VL on first then turn the midi keyboard on.




                  I don't understand the above. In the first paragraph, you say you can't get the MIDI to work. Then you say you have problems with the MIDI keyboard shutting down all the harmonies. Is the problem you're having with the harmonies resulting when you have a MIDI cable connecting your keyboard and the VL2?



                  Please clarify.
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                  • Sorry for the confusion. I have 2 midi keyboards. One connects fine the other that does not we will ignore for now. The one that connects fine to the vl2 works great but on a couple programs on that keyboard if I use them it somehow shuts off the harmonies on the vl2.



                    So there are no harmonies whether the harmony button is on or off. it says the voices are turned up when I look but the only way I can get the harmonys back is to reboot the vl2 while holding the 3 buttons down for a sys reset. So I am guessing that it is some signal coming from the keyboard. It would be great to be able to turn them back on without the reboot.

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                    • Quote Originally Posted by bkpie
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                      So there are no harmonies whether the harmony button is on or off. it says the voices are turned up when I look but the only way I can get the harmonys back is to reboot the vl2 while holding the 3 buttons down for a sys reset. So I am guessing that it is some signal coming from the keyboard. It would be great to be able to turn them back on without the reboot.




                      Sorry to hear about your troubles. You might try contacting tech support, because I use MIDI in my setup and I can't replicate your problem. And I assume a quick power down/up doesn't work (not enough to interrupt the MIDI stream). So for a quicker reset routine, try one of these steps (in order of easiness):
                      * Hit the Setup button, go to System tab, turn USB Control On (which cuts off MIDI from the In jack/keyboard), then Off.

                      * Disconnect and reconnect the MIDI cable (from either end, whichever's easier).

                      * Disconnect the MIDI cable from the VL2; power down/up the VL2; reconnect cable.
                      Let me know if any of those steps work, and if so, which one.
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                      • I ended up having to turn off CC in Sys Midi and that eliminated the problem. Works fine now. Tight with the midi but if I use aux in with backing tracks there seems to be very noticeable latency when the harmonys come in versus MIDI But I use mostly midi. The edits you can do still amaze me...seems infinite.

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                        • Quote Originally Posted by bkpie
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                          I ended up having to turn off CC in Sys Midi and that eliminated the problem. Works fine now. Tight with the midi but if I use aux in with backing tracks there seems to be very noticeable latency when the harmonys come in versus MIDI But I use mostly midi. The edits you can do still amaze me...seems infinite.




                          Did that suggestion come from TC's tech support? What it sounds like to me is simple MIDI filtering. For readers who don't know what this is, filtering allows you to selectively turn off MIDI commands that you won't be using (such as CC, or continuous controller) so that the unit isn't "listening" to all that extra data, which isn't going to change. By filtering out certain MIDI commands, the data stream becomes much thinner and faster to process.



                          I'm not surprised in general that MIDI would yield tighter (faster) responses compared with the aux in. It's quite a job for the VL2 to listen to program material like a whole band mix and filter out just the chords. But vocal harmonies aren't as critical as, say, a percussive keyboard part, with respect to MIDI.



                          If one is really concerned about latency, he should convert all his guitar or aux-in material to MIDI, for best results.
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                          • I tried the VL 2 for a couple of weeks, but when using it while playing guitar I found it rather "sketchy" at times; allow me to explain.



                            First, I only play rhythm guitar on a few tunes that my band plays, and when I'm not playing at all, the unit doesn't work so well...even with the unit bypassed, I felt that I got a better sound from my condenser mic (Shure SM87A) going straight to my A&H board. Second, even with different experimenting, I noticed a change in my guitar tone when I used the VL2. I play a Fender American Deluxe Strat HSS and go direct into my Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue. I use the amps effect loop to go through my MXR M-134 Chorus pedal, and that is my only outboard effect. I also use the amps original pedal for gain and reverb. So essentially, I'm dealing with only three guitar "choices" on the floor.



                            Now that I've said what didn't work, I'll say what did work. When I played tunes like "Sixth Avenue Heartache" with just me singing and playing my acoustic guitar, it sounded PHENOMENAL. The harmonies sounded realistic and were very convincing.



                            Unfortunately, playing in a mostly rock band, we don't play many mellow tunes like that. A lot of our tunes require a quick harmony here and there, so I found myself dancing between my guitar pedals and the VL2. When harmonies aren't supposed to be happening and I just have to decide between clicking off guitar distortion or harmonies, it's kind of tricky!



                            Now that it's been a couple of months, I am once again considering the VL2 for some "megaphone" (Green Day), "distorted" (The Strokes), and "hardtune" (Kanye) vocal parts. Here's what I WANT to do and I hope someone can help me out with this. I currently use two mics...my Shure listed above, and a Crown CM311 for some wireless headset action when I'm running through the crowd acting like Garth Brooks.



                            For the VL2, I am considering purchasing a third mic that will be used strictly for the VL2 chain. I will probably get an Audix OM5 or an Peavey PVM 22...I only plan on using this (Mic to VL2 to A&H Board) for certain tunes, so I would say it will be used about 25% of the time, my Shure SM87A gets about 60% of the work, and the Crown about 15%. What I will probably do is have the new VL2 dedicated mic set up close to the SM87A and switch mid song for different parts, since I already experienced the tone degradation of the "bypassed" VL2 and don't want that to happen when I'm not utilizing the harmonies.



                            NOW, I go back to the fact that I don't play guitar on every tune and my guitarist is well aware of the tonal difference when adding the VL2 so he won't let me touch his stuff! Can I program the VL2 to store complete songs with changes? For example, I would like to store a song where I could use the folllowing:



                            Just straight vocals in Verse 1 (use VL2's reverb only)

                            One part harmony in chorus one

                            Doubling in verse 2

                            Three part harmony in chorus two

                            Pitch change (as in, the singing gets higher relative to guitar chord changes) with harmony's in "outro" chorus



                            I know one can set up "steps" for tunes with the VL2, but how much memory is on that bad boy and can it handle doing the above scenario with around 20 songs or so? What if we ended up "cracking the code" on the VL2 and wanted to use it full time, could it do the above with 60-70 songs or is that too much memory?



                            ALSO, do I need to overwrite the presets to do this? I didn't see "user" presets during my short audition with the unit.



                            With all of this in mind, the harmonies are the "least" desirable, as my band can do some harmonies "live". The most appealing to me is the "megaphone", "distorted vocals" and "hard tune" features. Would I be better off getting something else? (Although I'm not sure anything else has all three of the above, mainly the "hard tune".



                            Sorry if I went on and on, I just wanted to give as much detail as possible!

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                            • First things first... Hi Everybody! I just registered here, I'm Alex from Italy.

                              I'm upgrading from voiceworks to VL2 (getting it next week), i went through the 8 pages of this thread and i think it should be printed and included in the manual :P anyway, i'm interested in the "problems" expressed by koop1975, especially in regards to voice tone degradation which seems quite odd to me... and in this regard, does the Bypass function exclude also the preamp section? i mean, if i set auto-gain, auto-eq, auto-deess, auto-comp, and than bypass the unit, the mic signal won't go through the gain-eq.. chain, right?

                              would you recommend to use a clean preset instead of bypass?



                              as for guitar tone degradation, i guess that splitting the guitar signal before the first pedal as suggested before could work, as long as the splitter does not introduce tone degradation itself :P



                              i had two more curiosities regarding guitar harmony control:

                              1) how well would that work with a 12 string acoustic guitar? would it "strain" the detection algorithm?

                              2) How would you compare, performance wise, a guitar sent to the guitar input to a guitar with an esaphonic pickup like the Roland GK series directly to the midi input?

                              I mean, the conversion has to happen somewhere, so would the GK be more efficent in the conversion than the vl2 algorithms? (i understand they are pretty different, since the GK works string by string while the VL2 has to process all the strings together...)



                              would the harmonies be different? i mean playing the exact same chord through the GK or direct...

                              I ask this because i would LOVE to be able to play a single-notes melodic line with the guitar and have one harmony voice follow that line (for "non-parallel" backing vocals)... i know it would be possible with the midi-pickup....

                              In some cases i may be able to achieve this by programming the shift map, but that would be too much work (and a lot of steps and maps) for complex lines... (the thing is that i may not always be able to have the keyboardist do this, and share a midi line, and i would prefer not to use a sequencer with a prerecorded midi line...)

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                              • ok... after a short research i found out the the GK output may need to be transformed to a midi signal, since it's made for roland synth... but the main question still stands i think :P

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