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  • #76
    Thanks for this review. Being a Sonar user, Craig's articles have always come in handy!

    I bought Record about a month ago; 'have been a Reason user for years and I fancied experiencing the stability, ease-of-use and CPU friendliness of a Propellerheads product in an audio recording program (plus the Reason integration of course).

    So far not disappointed! It's sturdy and very fast to use, and the mixing desk sounds creamy and warm (worth the price alone, ah reckons). Like you say, they've really thought through the features from the users point of view. I've found it inspiring, feels like I can just get on and make music and don't have to stop and think about anything too much.

    Made me appreciate Reason all the more too (think you're right in that Reason is a necessary 'part' of Record). Its' (Reason/Records') finer features are so nice (like the patch browser, where you can audition between any of the synths, samplers or sound effects without quitting the browser) and you can throw a huge amount of Fx and sounds into a project. All encourages you to experiment.

    A bloke called Selig just made an amazing B3 plus Leslie, basically with Thor (Reason Synth that is, not Norse God obviously). I haven't bought the refill yet but the demo sounds amazing -proof of what a Reason synth is capable of! http://baumanproductions.com/SeligProductions.html

    Look forward to more of your review.

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    • #77
      Craig,

      You're record review is one of the greatest I've seen online and in the mags.

      If you please, let me chime in with some of my considerations and opinions...

      First of all let me say, i agree with everything you posted previously. I have a reason background since version 3, Cubase since VST32, and i have been an avid user of computer technologies since 1996! I am a keyboard and wind player since i know myself, but i got hooked with music composing, and midi sequencing since roland released mc300 and D10/D50. Great stuff was done at the time with this keyboards.

      Reason was my favorite application for composing since i bought it, and since i had it, i let midi sequencing in cubase a bit aside (thought got back to some vst's i still had to use).

      I was looking at record with much anticipation. Being able to record audio within reason, creating projects in a self contain ambient, stabler than rocks, was a dream! Anyway, since propellerheads announced it, i eagerly fought to be one of the first beta testers. It's fun that you commented records stability in v1, where i didn't see record crash or have a strange behavior even before the first RC.

      So, that being said, and concluding this intro, since i got Record Beta, i didn't use any other thing, except for huge VST based projects (orchestral stuff, for example).

      As i said your review is great, and i think you got it more or less concluded, but if you find i'm touching something you were going to talk in the future, i beg your pardon for that.

      Adding to what you said, coming from a reason standpoint, Record adds a Horizontal spanning rack. I reason the rack grew vertically, and now record allows you to grow the rack to your right. Of course, there are not monitors that will allow you to see the infinite span that record enables, but for the sake of visibility, record also has at your right most side, a rack map, where you can withe mouse drag the rack image wherever you like. This is great because you can use this multiple racks to divide your stuff into sections where each rack is a section. Pretty neat!

      I don't know if you noticed, but each audio track, has a little tuner there. This is specially good for guitarists but then again, it will be helpful for whoever has tunable instruments. I don't imagine myself singing and looking at the tuner...

      Remote - This isn't a new functionality of record, but the fact that it works exactly as reasons its great. Not only you fully control any device with a previously supported, but that applied to the ssl mixer, creates a great mix environment. Also, record works in auto latch mode, making it easy to work with non touch sensitive surfaces, like the BCF2000.

      About time stretching, propellerheads outdone themselves this time. An important issue about this is that, each audio file is being stretched individually, and is treated accordingly to its content. Best results are attained in a complete song if you tweak the stretching type in the audio channel device (melodic content, or general).

      Finally, record is at this time an application that should be considered carefully, and that gives me mixed feelings. I love it, but for some things it simply isn't answer for some tasks.

      Not only because of the lack of vst, or midi out (don't know if you already stated that, but i consider important midi out in a sequencer, because of the obvious use of external devices, but also, for big and complex projects, where you integrate the sequencer with a VST wrapper, or a sound module's stand alone version, in stake of stability).

      Records architecture, is also a little strange, and propellerheads didn't specify why, but if you open the application, will "eat" up to 400 mb with nothing loaded. That's a little too much for an application that doesn't strem from the HDD for any of its samples, nor it allows integration with other instruments in any form (no midi out, no VST, no rewire 2 master). This is a problem because, record is a 32 bit application and you are limited to 2 gb ram for 32 bit applications, and wont be able to run those projects that were on the limit. Mind that propellerheads created a set of refills that load big patches (500 MB pianos, and 200MB basses, and so on...) in the Studio Combi. I have some reason songs with these refills that wont load in record...

      Also Rewiring, lifts some new problems, being record a recording application, why am i rewiring to a daw? I don't know if you tried, but as soon as you rewire it to a daw, record wont... record anymore! There isn't also a way to pass the Daw signal to the ssl's console in record.

      Of course there is always a work around. You can get some orchestral refills (garritan, miroslav) but they are very thin compared to East West or Vienna, you can record your audio, and reason instruments, then rewire, sequence your vst stuff in cubase, stem out from cubase, and end your mix in record so that you can process everything in record.
      But this are all work flow killers... I think from an engineer standpoint, this wont be a pain, because most often when the project comes to a mix engineer bounce and back issues were taken care from the composer, but for the multi tasking producer, there will be some additional tasks involved.

      Again, great review, and thanks for letting us participate!

      Miguel

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      • #78
        Can you please be more specific? As in synching external MIDI devices to Record, or inability to follow certain types of sync, or...?


        specifically synchronizing to an external drum machine.

        I read. when using midi beat clock, there is considerable "drift"
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        • #79
          Hey Craig,

          Thanks for the patch. I`ve been reading this review slowly. I`ll eventually get Record but I`m always slow to get into Version 1 of anything. So I`ll probably wait until V2. Thanks for everything.

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          • #80
            Miguel - thanks very much for your comments and additions!! The whole point of a Pro Review is to encourage questions, comments, tips, etc. We welcome manufacturer participation as well.

            Your points are all well-taken and I appreciate your adding info about the horizontal rack and such. It's something that I don't recall if I mentioned or not, but it is an important feature.

            The comment about ReWire limitations is not restricted to Record - as far as I know you can't record in anything that's serving as a ReWire client. For example, I have a bunch of presets in Live for use with Gibson's Dark Fire, and wanted to record through Live while ReWired into Sonar. Not possible...

            As to Record being a 32-bit application, this is one area where Propellerheads needs to get to work! As far as I know it's still not possible to ReWire with 64-bit applications. I'm using 64-bit apps more and more, and it's just a matter of time before everyone is. Snow Leopard will help push users on the Mac side; I thought Windows 7 would do the same for PCs, but Microsoft ended up doing both 32 and 64-bit versions. Oh well.
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            • #81

              As to Record being a 32-bit application, this is one area where Propellerheads needs to get to work! As far as I know it's still not possible to ReWire with 64-bit applications. I'm using 64-bit apps more and more, and it's just a matter of time before everyone is. Snow Leopard will help push users on the Mac side; I thought Windows 7 would do the same for PCs, but Microsoft ended up doing both 32 and 64-bit versions. Oh well.


              Nope, at this time it is not possible. I can understand why there are two versions of Windows 7, since there are still a lot applications that might be buggie if are not run in 32 bit native. But still, i don't know of any current step processors in production that are not 64 bit, so... What i can't understand is why Record is not 64 bit, but on other hand, i think that would obligate propellerheads to make reason 64 bit too, and we know propellerheads are a small company compared to Steinberg and other monsters.

              Let me add just one more thing, from my post you might think i'm not happy with Record.
              By the contrary. I am starting every single project i can with record, and i don't get to other applications as long i can keep working with it...

              Cheers,
              Miguel Catalão

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              • #82
                Before continuing...several people have wondered how the transition to the new platform will affect Pro Reviews. As you know if you've read the forum-wide announcement, the forums were captured for converting to the new platform on 12/20, so any posts added after that to these forums will be lost. But, fear not: the Pro Reviews will continue, with the only difference being that I'm writing all my posts in a text editor and saving the images so that they can be reconstructed on the new platform (slated to go live on 1/8 or possibly before).

                I will also be copying relevant posts that you make so they won't be lost either. Now, back to the review.
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                • #83
                  specifically synchronizing to an external drum machine.

                  I read. when using midi beat clock, there is considerable "drift"


                  Neither Reason or Record can act as MIDI master clock sources -- they don't output MIDI. They can be slaved to external devices or software (via Rewire), however. So, if you want to sync to a drum machine you have to set the drum machine up as the master and Reason/Record as the slave.
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                  • #84
                    Any word on the "drift"?

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                    • #85
                      I want to see a full recording session with tracks recorded from Reason, microphones, and even outboard MIDI. Let's see what this puppy looks like in full action.



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                      • #86
                        Any word on the "drift"?


                        Answered above -- Record and Reason can't act as Midi Master Clock sources, so you have to set up your drum machine as master and Reason/Record as slave.
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                        • #87
                          Initially the dongle was a very big turn off for me. I hate the very idea of them and refuse to go that route. But you mentioned that you can use record without it? that opens it up for consideration to me.

                          But I would like some clarification on it.

                          Can you completely use it all the time without the dongle? I don't mind if I need it to register once, but not if it's gonna ask for it randomly like Reason asked for the CD.

                          And also once you are validated on line without the dongel, can u then go off line and stay off line? And can you then stay that way or will you need to validate every time you open the program?


                          And is there external midi? Seems to not be but I want 2 b sure. If not that is a HUGE limitations and really unacceptable that they would miss it.

                          If not..will there b?
                          thanks!

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                          • #88
                            just noticed the upgrade price on record...I have reason 3 and the upgrade to 4 would be 129..but if I throw in record it's only 149 and it includes reason 4?! so that's like getting record for $20? that's a good deal!

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                            • #89
                              Hi, Gerry Basserman from Propellerheads here. I noticed some talk about ReWiring Record and that someone said that Reason was better to ReWire because it was 'way less memory hungry.' That's really not true. In every way, Record was coded from the bottom up to be a light, fleet app on multicore systems (which is one reason it took so long) - and that's just as true with Record/Reason running. In every way it is lighter on the system than Reason alone and so ReWiring the Duo is always going to give better performance. This may seem counter intuitive since there's apparently WAY more going on, but that's the fact by design. In many ways, the Record is the best upgrade Reason ever had.

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                              • #90
                                Hi Gerry!! Does this mean we finally have a manufacturer contact participating in the thread? If so, your timing couldn't be better, because I'm pretty much done editing NAMM videos and am getting back to pro reviews.

                                While we're dispelling myths...some people have said that using ReWire takes a lot more CPU power. This is not true. ReWire requires virtually no CPU power, but the reason why that appears to be the case is that you are now running at least two programs, and THAT'S what requires the CPU to work harder.

                                I've used Record on my 64-bit Vista Windows laptop (running as a 32-bit program), and am surprised at how small a CPU footprint it has.
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