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  • #31
    The Dynamics module, shown in the first attached image, has an independent compressor and expander/gate. As we've already noted you have some options as to where this goes in the signal path, e.g., before or after EQ.

    The compressor controls are familiar: Ratio, Threshold, and Release, and the meter shows gain reduction. So where's the Attack control? There isn't one, but there's a Fast button that fixes the attack at 3ms for 20dB of gain reduction. There's also no Auto setting for the Release time, which is something I would probably use if it was there, but the MClass compressor has this feature if you really need it, and you can patch the MClass compressor into the inserts (which we'll get to soon enough). There's a Peak button for determining whether the compressor responds to peak or average levels - handy. As to an output control, it's not really necessary as makeup gain is automatic.

    After playing with the compressor for a bit, I've found two main uses for it. One is a utility "signal smoother," like you'd use on bass. Leave Peak off, and go for a fair amount of compression with an average response. With Peak and the Fast button enabled, the compressor does a good job on clamping peaks. Yes, I'd like to see a "soft saturation" button on there, but I'll give Record a break - this is a dynamics module in a mixer, not a be-all and end-all compressor.

    The Gate becomes an expander if you enable the EXP button, but is otherwise pretty straightforward. However, check out the Key input: So how do you key it?!? Well, check out the second attached image, which shows the back of a Mix channel in the rack. When you flip around to the back of the rack with the Tab key, you'll see the sidechain audio inputs, along with a CV input and the Key on/off button. This seems a bit awkward to have to flip the rack around to set up the key input, but it's not something you have to do often, and I don't really see an easy way around this - for example, if you wanted to just flip the mixer module around, how would you have the rack flipped around at the same time so you could make the connections?

    Which underscores something important I'm starting to notice about Record: It sure seems like Propellerheads spent a great deal of time analyzing which functions would be used most often, and which were "once in a session" kind of things. They then prioritized workflow based around that, so that common, basic operations could be done very simply, and more complex workflows were reserved for more complex operations.
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    • #32
      This definitely departs from a conventional hardware mixer, here's why.

      Each channel has an insert for adding effects, and as noted, this can go various places in the signal path. The inserts tie in with the rack, where you can create your own effects setups, or call up preset effects, including Combinator setups

      If you're not familiar with Reason, a Combinator is a "container/programmer" for multiple effects, instruments, combinations of effects and instruments, etc. Its basic interface consists of four knobs, four buttons, and a section that allows programming "macros" for the knobs by letting you route them to target parameters, as well as set minimum and maximum values.

      One example of a Combinator might be combining two layered synths, which feed a mixer that goes through a reverb. You could have one knob change pitch positively on one synth and negatively on the other to create detuning effects, with another knob crossfading between the two synths. One of Reason's "poster boy" Combinators is a mastering suite composed of MClass proecessors. Of course, you can save Combinator presets and call them up as desired.

      Anyway, check out the attached image. The highlighted part of the mixer is the insert part of the channel strip. Below it is the rear view of the rack containing the Combinator patch used as the insert effect. Note how the four knobs and buttons control particular parameters in the insert effect Combinator.

      You'll also note the Audio Track making another appearance...we're going to have to get to that whole recording audio aspect of things, and we will after we're done with the mixer.
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      • #33
        FYI - I may have to put this review on hold until later in the week. I am out of the country and don't have Record installed on my laptop. If I can get a decent internet connection and a few spare hours, I'll download the demo and see if I can add some more info to the review...like how well it works with a laptop!
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        • #34


          If you import an audio file you want to time-stretch, you first need to disable stretching in the file, then match the tempo to the loop. Once you've matched the tempo, you bounce the clip to a new "recording." This embeds the original tempo information you just determined into the file. Now when you enable stretching for the clip, it follows tempo changes.



          For me, most of the time I know the tempo of the clip I'm importing, so I just set the tempo of the project to that and then imported the audio and switched the tempo back to what it was before the import. Works great !

          I'm still unclear on why you need to "bounce the clip to a new audio file" though. I've never done that. Even if you don't know the tempo. You disable stretch, find the tempo, and then right click and enable it again and reset the tempo to what you want. That should work without bouncing the clip, don't you think?

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          • #35

            ...but on my dual-screen monitor setup it's pretty cool.


            I'm currently running it on a 27" 1920 x 1200 setup and it's a pretty smooth workflow with F5-F6-F7. But I'd be very interested to see how this looks with two monitors! Can you provide an 'external' shot of your two monitors, Craig?

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            • #36
              This is the Pro Review I've been waiting for! A friend of mine seems to change DAWs every six months, and when I asked for his advice for my own purchase, he said I should read some Record reviews. Being a guitar guy with lots of rack toys, and a fair bit of experience with traditional mixers, Record looks like it would make far more sense to me than anything else I've looked at.

              I'm noticing a lot of Line 6 references. Does Record include some sub-set of the GearBox/POD Farm product?
              Originally Posted by Captain_howdy


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              • #37
                I'm noticing a lot of Line 6 references. Does Record include some sub-set of the GearBox/POD Farm product?


                On the Propellerhead's website, Dan Engelbrecht's .plan post from this past May mentioned "Rob Rampley, Software Architect from Line 6, who flew in from Japan to help finish up the Line 6 integration. The Line 6 stuff is actual Line 6 code with a Propellerheads front end, so you get their exact models. And if you have bought models for you Line 6 hardware you can use them in Record."

                The best part of it is, if you already own Reason, you can hook up all the different models. I've never had such a flexible guitar/bass setup. As soon as I can afford a faster machine (probably when fully-buffered DIMMS are common in the MacBook Pros - but that's asking WAY too much right now), I'll be using a computer as part of my live rig - along with a good solid backup amp, of course.

                There are currently a lot of feature requests and such, but I can't help thinking they got most of it right, and it's only 1.0! Not bad.

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                • #38
                  Well this is cool: I downloaded the demo (almost 1GB) and surprise, the internet connection authorization deal worked! Apparently it authorizes YOU, not the specific instance of the program. Very, very cool!!!
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                  • #39
                    Too bad about the lack of VST support. That seems like a major strike against Record, and for me personally, I don't think that the included Line 6 features are enough to make up for it.
                    Originally Posted by Captain_howdy


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                    • #40
                      Thanks for explaining sidechaining, Craig.

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                      • #41
                        Too bad about the lack of VST support. That seems like a major strike against Record, and for me personally, I don't think that the included Line 6 features are enough to make up for it.


                        Well, Reason doesn't have VST support, either. Are you concerned about effects, instruments, or both? I'll list the effects and such that included with it shortly, but Reason include a lot of instruments and effects, and works directly with Record. Also, if you have a host program, you can ReWire Record into it, and process tracks with VST plug-ins.

                        Now, this won't help you if you have some favorite VST instrument (e.g., Rapture, Moog Modular, or whatever) and don't want to deal with inserting it into a host program. But AFAIC, if you put Record and Reason together, you have an extremely powerful setup and I'm not sure what you couldn't do with it that would require VST support.
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                        • #42
                          Well, Reason doesn't have VST support, either. Are you concerned about effects, instruments, or both? I'll list the effects and such that included with it shortly, but Reason include a lot of instruments and effects, and works directly with Record. Also, if you have a host program, you can ReWire Record into it, and process tracks with VST plug-ins.

                          Now, this won't help you if you have some favorite VST instrument (e.g., Rapture, Moog Modular, or whatever) and don't want to deal with inserting it into a host program. But AFAIC, if you put Record and Reason together, you have an extremely powerful setup and I'm not sure what you couldn't do with it that would require VST support.

                          Again, not to sound too fanboy-ish, but there's not a single VST or AU that I miss. Reason did it all, and if there was something it didn't do (like audio-in) I would just use ReWire.
                          Even for standalone VSTs, a program like Plogue Bidule will work with, say, Redline's Monitor (brought to our attention by Lee Knight). I have yet to try this setup myself, but it looks workable (here it is mentioned in another thread).

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                          • #43
                            Here's what comes with Record. I wasn't exactly sure because I have Reason installed on the same desktop computer as Record, and all the Reason stuff showed up. But after installing Record on my 64-bit Vista laptop, it was a "pure" install so the only things that showed up are part of Record. Here's the list:

                            ID8 Instrument Device - this is the only instrument included with Record, and it hardly has any editing at all (two parameters per sound). The sounds are useful, but really, think of this as a sort of General MIDI module designed to get you recording fast.

                            As to effects, the four main ones are the MClass effects:

                            MClass Equalizer
                            MClass Compressor
                            MClass Stereo Imager
                            MClass Maximizer


                            These are all great effects and a good addition to Record. You also get six more "standard" processors:

                            Line 6 Guitar Amp
                            Line 6 Bass Amp
                            RV7000 Advanced Reverb
                            Scream4 Distortion
                            DDL-1 Digital Delay Line
                            CF-101 Chorus/Flanger


                            I haven't tried it yet, but from what I understand if you own the various Line 6 model packs they will load into the amp modules. These are all fine effects, although the DDL-1 and CF-101 are quite basic. The Scream4 has always been one of my favorites when using Reason, and the RV7000 is a quality reverb.

                            There are also several "utility" devices from Reason. These don't make any sound but are designed for routing.

                            Mixer 14:2
                            Line Mixer 6:2
                            Spider Audio Merger & Splitter
                            Spider CV Merger & Splitter


                            There's also the Combinator module for putting mutiple combinations of devices together, then controlling them with a single "shell" interface.

                            While this is a good selection, it's basic. If you want to do any serious virtual instrument work you just about have to get Reason. Typical street price for Reason is $400, or $500 if you buy Reason and Record together.

                            However, if you think about it, $400 is a really good deal. You get the SubTractor analog synth, NN-19 simple sampler, NN-XT full-function sampler, Malstrom graintable synth, Thor semi-modular synth, Dr. Rex REX file player, and ReDrum drum machine. At about $60/instrument, you have quite a selection. The only synth I would really miss from my VST collection is Cakewalk's Rapture, which I use for a lot of sounds and for which I've developed several sets of patches. So just ReWire it, you say? Well, I don't think I can with Vista-64. although it's possible with 32-bit Windows operating systems and Mac OS X.

                            You also get quite a few extra effects with Reason, so it's a felicitous combination, especially when you consider you get the whole virtual studio for $500.

                            Still, as you evaluate the cost-effectiveness of Record for your own needs, take into account that you don't really get a lot of "plug-ins," particularly in terms of virtual instruments. If you're using Record just to record, say, a rock band, this probably won't make any difference. But if you're heavily into virtual instruments and MIDI, given that you can't use VST or AU devices, you'll have to factor Reason into the overall cost.


                            So let's b
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                            • #44
                              Hello -- nice review so far; I'm looking forward to more. I've been using Record since beta testing back in July or August (can't remember when exactly now)... One quibble with your intro post:

                              Besides, no matter what you do, it's going to end up in the mixer...


                              Actually, just like Reason, you can bypass the built-in mixer and go straight to your DA's via the "Hardware Interface" device. Nice if you want to mix outboard or don't like the "sound" of the built-in mixer.

                              I really dig the studio emulation vibe in Record -- I've been playing with emulating how sources are actually recorded. For instance, if you have a guitar, bass, and drums then these instruments are mic'ed: run the instrument into an RV7000 in mono (with suitable room ambience) into a Scream 4 with very small amounts of distortion into a channel on the mixer. You can also do "bleed" using instances of the 6x2 mixer to send audio to different "mics", pre-reverb. I use the combinator to split out the ID8 drum kit into different sections depending on how I want it mic'ed -- snare and kick each get a mic, then everything else into a stereo overhead mic. Here are links to a quick demo track and a refill that demonstrates how this can be set up and what it sounds like:

                              demo track: http://www.silo3d.com/Music/Real_Drums_Demo.mp3

                              refill: http://www.silo3d.com/Music/Rock_Band_Refill.rfl

                              The refill includes a demo "song" that has everything wired up. Of course you could do this in any DAW, but Record a.) makes it easier because everything is at-hand, and b.) you can trade setups using refills and know that it'll work correctly on every system and across platforms.
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                              • #45

                                I haven't tried it yet, but from what I understand if you own the various Line 6 model packs they will load into the amp modules...


                                I can confirm this works, with some limitations. If you have a long processing chain set up then most of the knobs on the Record Line 6 interface device won't do anything, and afaik there's no way to map them. I've been using POD Farm with Reaper to audition and save presets (I'm running the plugin-only version of POD Farm -- they were giving it away for free in September to iLok owners and it doesn't have a stand-alone mode) so I can set up patches so I know they'll load with everything set correctly. This is kind of a shame because POD Farm comes with API-ish and Neve-ish preamp emulations that would benefit from having the knobs mapped (and could be useful for more than guitar and bass...).

                                The other limitation is that "dual" tones have to be loaded into two Line 6 interface devices; not that big of a deal, but a bit annoying if you just want to load a "dual" patch and play straightaway.

                                While I'm at it, another neat trick I found is the RV-7000 has a delay that you can use 100% wet with no dry signal. Since its delay time can go down to 1 ms, you can use it when mixing an "amped" (i.e., routed through a Scream 4, the Line 6 device, etc) and "direct" guitar sound to adjust phase offset.
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