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  • Quote Originally Posted by Anderton
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    To me, the biggest problem wasn't generating patches as much as auditioning them, and that's the Vyzex editor's strongest point IMHO. Generating patches that are useable, and generating patches that I want to use in a particular piece of music, are two very different things....which is why the ability to generate a bunch of patches and audition them efficiently is the most important aspect to me. I'm sure I "throw away" a lot of patches that other people would use, but hey, I'm picky




    We've actually streamlined these capabilities quite a bit in the pending v1.5 update to Vyzex Venom (which can be publicly evaluated by anyone who wants to join our external tester group at http://www.vyzor.com/support/viewforum.php?f=53). It's now easy to transfer all the Collided patches into the Collection with one button click (with automatic naming so you know which Patch Collider function created them), or you can rename and collect any single sound within the Patch Collider dialogs. Initial feedback so far is quite enthusiastic - You are more than welcome to check it out if you haven't already, Craig!



    Also, a note regarding Vyzor Venom (the VST/AU retail upgrade version of the Venom editor): It's almost ready for release and I can confirm the price will only be $19.95 available for direct download from our soon to be launched online store. Ahem. We now return you to your regular program...

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    • I just unboxed my Venom. Hooked it up. Is it normal for it to have all kinds of white noise/aliasing gibberish when NOTHING is being played on it? I can even effect the noise by turning up the Direct Monitor knob. The noise changes depending on which preset I hit last. I've never encountered anything like this on ANY syth....I just want to know if this is normal or if I need to return it....I'll probably be returning it either way, but need to know if I need a replacement or just go another direction!



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      • Quote Originally Posted by Jercat
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        I just unboxed my Venom. Hooked it up. Is it normal for it to have all kinds of white noise/aliasing gibberish when NOTHING is being played on it? I can even effect the noise by turning up the Direct Monitor knob. The noise changes depending on which preset I hit last.




        If I'd had that experience, this would have been a VERY different review, to say the least. Is anything plugged in other than the output? Is the mic input down all the way?



        One piece of advice: I once had a Peavey synthesizer that needed to be rebooted after updating. When I played it, I got the most crazy sounds I'd ever heard from a synth. See if a reboot procedure is documented somewhere...maybe Tony knows it off the top of his head..I never ran into the problem you have, so never looked into what would be needed to do a complete factory reset. But I'd give that a try first.



        OTOH I sampled a bunch of those Peavey sounds before I rebooted, and I've used them in quite a few techno tunes
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        • Hi Jercat,



          While hardware support is not my 'thing' I end up doing quite a bit of hardware troubleshooting for users of our editors at the Vyzor support forums - My first question is are you listening through the headphones? If you are trying to monitor Venom's output via a DAW connection or other patched digital audio system (into your computer speakers for example) then it could be that you are actually monitoring the output of Venom's audio inputs through whatever effects are loaded in the current preset.



          So the operative question here - Do you hear this noise through Venom's headphone out jacks?



          Tony

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          • I keep reading that the venom can do more creamier analog sounds but I havent actualy heard any demos, only the more gritty sounds, obviously their selling point. Maybe I have missed any. I would be looking for the more analogy sounds aswell. Early Depeche mode type sounds. could it do the brass vangelis bladderunner sound (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ED542a9Dk) at 0.28

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            • Hey - this review / thread is fantastic. I got a venom for hobby / learning purposes, and have been climbing a very steep learning curve having no experience with synthesizers in the past. This thread has REALLY complimented the manuals in a vital way for me.



              I don't have anything to add from a technical perspective, but I want to contribute, so here's a trick I have discovered and found useful. Forgive me if this is totally obvious or not an appropriate topic for this thread. I am using a VPN type program to mirror my computer's display of the venom editor on my iPad, which is a perfect match to the resolution of Vyzex. The software lets me directly adjust all visible dials via the touch screen, and I can pinch-zoom to magnify any set of controls to be whatever size they need to for me to interact smoothly.



              The result is that the iPad feels like a natural extension of the synth - it is less distracting and more immediate/interactive than using a mouse to adjust parameters on the computer. It may not be quite the same as having physical controls, but it is close, and the ability to focus on just a part of the Vyzex editor by zooming gives it a nice customizable feel.



              I have seen some templates for touchOSC that let an iPad control the venom, but this seems like a simple way to dig into the dirt of this synthesizer in a more direct and spontaneous way.

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              • Hi there,



                I got a Venom as soon as it hit the streets, and have found it to be a very 'musical' synth - something not to be sniffed at!



                However, there are a few major issues that I've run into, and it'd be great if the M-Audio folks keeping an eye on this thread could comment:



                1. Clocking irregularities - apparently M-Audio are aware of this. To test, simply sync a piece of software as slave (i.e. Ableton Live) to the Venom's tempo, and have a play. You'll be able to see that the Venom clock is all over the place.



                2. Poor OSX drivers - the latency at a buffer of 128 samples is 15+ ms on my mid-2010 Macbook Pro (8gb ram / i7 2.66ghz cpu). For comparison on my old Presonus Firebox audio interface I get less than half the latency at the same buffer and bit rate (the Venom only supports 44.1khz).



                3. It is also a major annoyance that the Venom will only start up to the same 'Multi' patch - especially since it's one that you can't overwrite. Surely it wouldn't be too hard to restart in the same patch it was on on last shutdown? (like pretty much every other hardware synth).



                So, in conclusion, I *do* like the unit a lot, however, I really need to have the above issues fixed before I can really make use of the Venom.



                badseed

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                • Quote Originally Posted by badseed79
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                  1. Clocking irregularities - apparently M-Audio are aware of this. To test, simply sync a piece of software as slave (i.e. Ableton Live) to the Venom's tempo, and have a play. You'll be able to see that the Venom clock is all over the place.




                  Well I'm not an M-Audio person, but I'll comment anyway.



                  Is there a reason you need to use Venom as the master clock? It seems you could just slave it to a more stable source until there's a fix.








                  2. Poor OSX drivers - the latency at a buffer of 128 samples is 15+ ms on my mid-2010 Macbook Pro (8gb ram / i7 2.66ghz cpu). For comparison on my old Presonus Firebox audio interface I get less than half the latency at the same buffer and bit rate (the Venom only supports 44.1khz).



                  15ms sounds about right at 128 samples. Are you sure you're comparing apples and oranges - round-trip latency including both software buffers and hardware? I don't recall what the Presonus reports (although I think it's an excellent interface). I think Ableton Live is one of the best DAWs in terms of analyzing overall latency, so if you're measuring the Venom and Presonus latency using Live, I would tend to trust it.








                  3. It is also a major annoyance that the Venom will only start up to the same 'Multi' patch - especially since it's one that you can't overwrite. Surely it wouldn't be too hard to restart in the same patch it was on on last shutdown? (like pretty much every other hardware synth).



                  I think there might be a way to do that...I'll check. Tony might weigh in as well.
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                  • Quote Originally Posted by MBP
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                    Hey - this review / thread is fantastic. I got a venom for hobby / learning purposes, and have been climbing a very steep learning curve having no experience with synthesizers in the past. This thread has REALLY complimented the manuals in a vital way for me.




                    We can really thank Craig for taking the initiative here and posting so many professional in-depth magazine-article-grade installments since he got his Venom. Craig, it's great to see the vast power of web 2.0 being used for good instead of evil (such as spamvertising and other vile content). Kudos to you, sir - I've found this thread very educational, myself: For example...









                    Quote Originally Posted by MBP
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                    I don't have anything to add from a technical perspective, but I want to contribute, so here's a trick I have discovered and found useful. Forgive me if this is totally obvious or not an appropriate topic for this thread. I am using a VPN type program to mirror my computer's display of the venom editor on my iPad, which is a perfect match to the resolution of Vyzex. The software lets me directly adjust all visible dials via the touch screen, and I can pinch-zoom to magnify any set of controls to be whatever size they need to for me to interact smoothly.



                    The result is that the iPad feels like a natural extension of the synth - it is less distracting and more immediate/interactive than using a mouse to adjust parameters on the computer. It may not be quite the same as having physical controls, but it is close, and the ability to focus on just a part of the Vyzex editor by zooming gives it a nice customizable feel.



                    I have seen some templates for touchOSC that let an iPad control the venom, but this seems like a simple way to dig into the dirt of this synthesizer in a more direct and spontaneous way.




                    This is a fantastic idea - I really appreciate you sharing it, MBP. What VPN program are you using? I would like to have our guys check this out and if it works to our satisfaction we'll add appropriate content to our product pages to get the word out.



                    It may not be obvious to most desktop users, but all of our editors are actually designed to be touch-screen friendly - We've been expecting the tablet revolution to hit the desktop for several years now, which is why our editors do most of their tasks with interactive controls instead of menus and the controls themselves are sized and laid out for finger gestures. Using a VPN client to port the UI to an iPAD is a brilliant idea - One we'd talked about trying when we had the time, but until now we've not had the time to look into it.



                    Feel free to drop by the Vyzor support board and sign up for advance release access to the pending upgrades, by the way. The direct link is in one of my earlier posts to this thread. Once you are there we should get a thread going specifically for iPAD remote control so that we can take this experience one step further.



                    Cheers,



                    Tony

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                    • Quote Originally Posted by Anderton
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                      I think there might be a way to do that...I'll check. Tony might weigh in as well.




                      The 'start-up on Multi' functionality is defined by firmware so when running Venom on its own this is what you'll get. I think it makes a great firmware update request that there be a global option to allow other startup states like 'last mode, last program' so I will make sure to mention this the next time I am meeting with Taiho. Knowing him it's already on the wish list... ;-)



                      When the pending Vyzor Venom VST/AU version of the editor is released, users will be able to choose the program and mode they want for each project file and these will be enforced by the editor when the file is loaded by the DAW, which will achieve the same effect without a firmware change, but I understand that this application is only part of the equation for Venom users. Simply having the synth power-up to the last state and program by default would be the real fix for anyone using this synth live without a computer attached.



                      Cheers,



                      Tony

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                      • Quote Originally Posted by MBP
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                        I don't have anything to add from a technical perspective, but I want to contribute, so here's a trick I have discovered and found useful.




                        That is effing BRILLIANT!! Thanks!!!!!!
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                        • Quote Originally Posted by Psicraft
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                          We can really thank Craig for taking the initiative here and posting so many professional in-depth magazine-article-grade installments since he got his Venom. Craig, it's great to see the vast power of web 2.0 being used for good instead of evil (such as spamvertising and other vile content). Kudos to you, sir - I've found this thread very educational, myself: For example...







                          This is a fantastic idea - I really appreciate you sharing it, MBP. What VPN program are you using? I would like to have our guys check this out and if it works to our satisfaction we'll add appropriate content to our product pages to get the word out.



                          It may not be obvious to most desktop users, but all of our editors are actually designed to be touch-screen friendly - We've been expecting the tablet revolution to hit the desktop for several years now, which is why our editors do most of their tasks with interactive controls instead of menus and the controls themselves are sized and laid out for finger gestures. Using a VPN client to port the UI to an iPAD is a brilliant idea - One we'd talked about trying when we had the time, but until now we've not had the time to look into it.



                          Feel free to drop by the Vyzor support board and sign up for advance release access to the pending upgrades, by the way. The direct link is in one of my earlier posts to this thread. Once you are there we should get a thread going specifically for iPAD remote control so that we can take this experience one step further.



                          Cheers,



                          Tony




                          Hey! That was a better response than I expected! I am using "Splashtop" which is a pretty robust program and very cheap. It is amazing how seamlessly it handles zooming into regions of the screen while still correctly mapping the touch interface.



                          I think I may just take your suggestion and sign up for the advance release access. I have been checking the page daily for a while - I am eager to get my hands on a pattern editor! I am so pleased I was able to add something of value. I have been having a BLAST with the synthesizer and editor. Learning, learning, learning - a very steep curve right now. The good news is I have no prior experience with synths, so every feature of the venom I uncover is like opening a present - I don't have any of the "it doesn't work quite the same as..." or "it doesn't sound as xxxxx as..." reactions. Basically, as a tool for learning about music sculpting, the combination of software and hardware is just absurdly cool.

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                          • Quote Originally Posted by Anderton
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                            That is effing BRILLIANT!! Thanks!!!!!!




                            Glad to hear it! It really does make a difference. I realize it adds one MORE piece of hardware, but you can kind of put the laptop out of the way and just park the iPad in front of you. I imagine a strategically placed music stand with a couple of rubber bands would integrate the whole thing into a reasonably compact form.

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                            • Quote Originally Posted by Psicraft
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                              Feel free to drop by the Vyzor support board and sign up for advance release access to the pending upgrades, by the way. The direct link is in one of my earlier posts to this thread. Once you are there we should get a thread going specifically for iPAD remote control so that we can take this experience one step further.



                              Cheers,



                              Tony






                              Hey - I registered and the vyzex / vyzor website, but am not seeing a link to send you a PM requesting access to the advanced release access area. What am I missing? My username there is the same as here. Thanks in advance.

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                              • Quote Originally Posted by MBP
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                                Hey - I registered and the vyzex / vyzor website, but am not seeing a link to send you a PM requesting access to the advanced release access area. What am I missing? My username there is the same as here. Thanks in advance.




                                Ah Daniel-San. That is time-honored anti-spam countermeasure preventing your post from showing until Miyagi approves.



                                (Sorry MBP - 80s flashback there. Happens from time to time - Just ask Craig...)



                                Your post has been approved and is now visible. Post once or twice more and the system will recognize you as one of the good guys.



                                Incidentally... IK Multimedia make an excellent Mic-Stand iPAD mount called the iKlip. It can be had for about $40 and is totally gig-worthy.

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