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  • #16






    Quote Originally Posted by Kewlpack
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    Thanks for the review John. I'm also a big fan of the TLSE nowadays (simple, good tone, plenty of mojo).




    Yes, the focus on tone is obviously paramount in this unit, courtesy of the Valve Reactor circuitry (which is all analogue). What I've done is to bypass the effects section so that I can concentrate on the Valve Reactor circuit and amp modeling features, before moving on to the effects, both "pedal" (before the preamp) and modulation (after the cabinet modeling).



    That's the place where I am now, and I'm getting a great sound (admittedly, though, a bit dry without effects), and am enjoying the analogue response. For example, when working with the AC30TB (top boost), cranking my guitar's volume knob creates a raspy bark, but rolling it back slightly produces glassy, jangly textures. In other words, the ToneLab is responding differently to different guitar-volume input -- it's not just producing louder and softer versions of the same sound.



    Is this a substitute for an actual AC30TB with five 12AX7's, four EL84s, and a Blue Alnico speaker? Of course not, but there's some definite intelligence and musicality going on here.
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    • #17
      Hey Jon,



      Glad to see you're getting great sound out of the Vox unit. Would you say this unit is head and shoulders above say, the DigiTech RP350 and/or the Line 6 Floor POD?



      Basically, is it worth double the price? Is it a no-brainer due to the valve reactor circuitry?



      Thanks!
      MySpace Music

      My Gear:
      Acoustics: Martin D16RGT, Taylor GA3, Martin OMCPA4
      Electrics: Fender Kurt Cobain Mustang
      Effects: Line 6 POD HD300
      Amplification: Marshall Class5, PreSonus TubePRE, Phonic Powerpod 410/S710

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      • #18
        Definitely better than the RP350, but then, it's much more expensive (as you say, double the price), so that's not necessarily a surprise. Don't own a Line 6 Floor POD (though I've played through them), so I can't do a proper comparison.



        Worth double the price? "Worth" is relative, of course, and "double" in this case means spending $200 more for the sound-generating circuitry (and MIDI implementation, which the RP350 doesn't have), if you can assume for the sake of argument that the digital effects section is a wash. To me, a tube-driven sound -- one that I can feel as well as hear -- is worth it. Plus, I was already a fan of the Vox Valvetronix AD60/120VT amps, so it's nice to have that technology trickled down into a processor. The ToneLab LE is more heavy duty, has a bettery power supply solution, and better I/O.



        Hint: if you try one at the store, turn off the effects, and make sure to match the amp sim. setting with the cabinet sim. setting that the amp was originally designed to go with (e.g., "AC30TB" with "Vox AC30"). Page 32 of the manual (which you can download) gives these settings, plus throws in a few good "mix and match" options (e.g., "Black 2x12" with "Tweed 4x10" and "UK Blues" with "Vox AC30").
        Jon Chappell
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        • #19
          Thanks for the reply. If you were to play both the RP250/350 and the ToneLab LE into the front of a tube amp...would there then be much of a difference? A good philosophical question. Then you'd have to judge the box for its "Pedal" attributes (i.e., stompbox modeling) and ignore the Valve Reactor part. [-inline edits by JC]



          Is MIDI the only way to hook the ToneLab LE up to the computer for tweaking/patch upload/download? Correct, there's no USB connection. -JC



          Can you access the tuner via footswitch? Yes, you just press and hold (for about a 1/2 second) the active-program footswitch.



          Is there a tap-temp and if so, can you access it via footswitch? Yes. -JC
          MySpace Music

          My Gear:
          Acoustics: Martin D16RGT, Taylor GA3, Martin OMCPA4
          Electrics: Fender Kurt Cobain Mustang
          Effects: Line 6 POD HD300
          Amplification: Marshall Class5, PreSonus TubePRE, Phonic Powerpod 410/S710

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          • #20






            Quote Originally Posted by Jon Chappell
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            Definitely better than the RP350, but then, it's much more expensive (as you say, double the price), so that's not necessarily a surprise. Don't own a Line 6 Floor POD (though I've played through them), so I can't do a proper comparison.




            Isn't the Floor POD based on POD 2.0 technology? I would say the Tonelab is way better.

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            • #21






              Quote Originally Posted by fnordbak
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              Isn't the Floor POD based on POD 2.0 technology? I would say the Tonelab is way better.




              That's my sense, too, if memory serves, but to be strictly fair, I don't have a Floor Pod (I do have the RP350) to do a controlled, A/B comparison.
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              • #22
                Hi Jon,

                Thanks for the review. I just got my LE in the mail today. I'm going through the presets and I'm a little scared by a few. Please let me know if you are getting this same thing.

                On preset 21-3 'Big Lead' if I hold a note, say for 3 secs, I can hear a noise gate I guess come in and basically reduce the volume of my note in a very unnatural way. I haven't gotten that deep into the LE yet to see if there is some kind of noise reduction I can turn off. But even if there is, this seems to be a very strange setting for a preset. I noticed it on some other high gain presets as well. It also kinda happens if I lightly pick a note, like the gate has to open enough so the full volume comes out. Again, understandable but it doesn't seem to be working in a useful way. I'm holding a bend and can basically hear the note drop off.

                Please let me know if you have this too. If not, maybe there's something wrong with mine.

                Thanks!

                [As ouch1234 points out below, the noise gate is set high in these presets, because it's meant for very high-gain situations. If it's too high for your particular situation, just knock back the NR a bit by holding down the AMP and CAB buttons simultaneously and turning down value knob 4 ("NR"). -JC.]

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                • #23
                  There is a noise gate and it can be adjusted...its rather sensative..



                  I have the se and le and the le is a bit smoother and fuller in overall tonal response.but not night and day IMHO. I agree a external pedal jack would have been nice to add an fc50 pedal..and i would have liked to see a second set on pedal effects on that pedal effect chicken switch(like the amps and cabinets on the same switch) so we could choose 2 different pedal effects before modulation and delay and reverb...that would be nice and a definate plus. But overall the le is just as sweet as the se...and there really is no need to upgrade to the le from the se..

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                  • #24
                    Hi there!



                    I am new to modelers/multiFX, so the question I'm going to ask may be stupid...



                    I'm mainly a jazzer, and if my priority is a good clean tone, I like to go into dirty or overdriven territory once in a while. I need to get a proper amp-that-does-it-all, and I thought I might want to buy a good clean amp and couple it with a good modeler.... say, for example, a Fender Jazz King (ss) and a Tonelab.



                    Would such a thing work, i.e. being able to switch between the clean amp and the amp models? How?

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                    • #25
                      Pascal,



                      Yes, in general you can do this, you'd put the modeler in "bypass" mode for the amp/cab modeling (this way you can either have just your clean amp, or if you'd like, your clean amp with an effect or two infront of it, but without an amp/cab model).



                      What we'd need from Jon is a word on how good the bypass on the ToneLab LE is!



                      In short -- you can't use the ToneLab LE in bypass mode (see my post below on this). --JC
                      MySpace Music

                      My Gear:
                      Acoustics: Martin D16RGT, Taylor GA3, Martin OMCPA4
                      Electrics: Fender Kurt Cobain Mustang
                      Effects: Line 6 POD HD300
                      Amplification: Marshall Class5, PreSonus TubePRE, Phonic Powerpod 410/S710

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                      • #26
                        Yuh know.....isn't the point of buying a modeler to use the amp and cab modeling? I mean...these units normally are kinda limited with respect to how you can use effects etc. so wouldn't it just be better to get stomp boxes if all you want is the effects?
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                        • #27
                          Marc G:



                          For some people, yes, it would be better to get stomp boxes...depending on how they use them. If people want to put together multiple boxes of the same effect category, then they would have to get individual pedals (since the ToneLab and every other unit under the sun limits you on what effects you can use simultaneously).



                          However, for the cost of 4 good stompboxes, you can get the ToneLab LE, and have MANY more effects for the same price.



                          Also, like me for instance, I want a unit that I can use for direct recording (so I want the amp/cab models for that), but I also want a unit that I can run in front of my tube amp WITHOUT having to use an amp/cab model to color the natural tone of my amp (so I can use just stompbox effects).
                          MySpace Music

                          My Gear:
                          Acoustics: Martin D16RGT, Taylor GA3, Martin OMCPA4
                          Electrics: Fender Kurt Cobain Mustang
                          Effects: Line 6 POD HD300
                          Amplification: Marshall Class5, PreSonus TubePRE, Phonic Powerpod 410/S710

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                          • #28
                            I think my TLSE is pretty damn good at effects. Maybe better than amp sim.?
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                            • #29






                              Quote Originally Posted by Marc G
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                              Yuh know.....isn't the point of buying a modeler to use the amp and cab modeling? I mean...these units normally are kinda limited with respect to how you can use effects etc. so wouldn't it just be better to get stomp boxes if all you want is the effects?




                              Well, it is partly what I was wondering. dwerlin made it clear that I could bypass the amp/cab simulations and get the clean tone of my amp, so that's cool. [You can't bypass the modeling to get to the effects, but you can "neutralize" them. -JC.] Now the other part of the question is does using amp/cab models sound like ass when the tonelab is plugged into a guitar amp, or can the amp/cab mods be used to get different tone colors/breaking-up styles (with or with additional effects)? [The ToneLab LE sounds great when plugged into a guitar amp -- it's designed to be used this way, as all multi-effects are. -JC.]



                              Would that really be much more different than guitar => modeller => P.A. (incl. P.A. amp + speakers)... considering the amp would be a ss amp specialised in cleans (although the speaker in this one is a guitar speaker). [This is an ideal way to use the ToneLab LE -- using it to get your distorted/modeled/zany sounds, while your solid-state amp or p.a. delivers the "clean" sounds or acts as the neutral medium. -JC.]



                              If it does sound like ass, I might consider getting a few good pedals instead, indeed, but I would be interested by the extra flexibility of the amp models.



                              I guess an alternative would be to buy one of Vox's modelling amps, but I hear their cleans aren't exactly to die for...







                              Edit: Thanks Jon

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                              • #30
                                I guess I have my answer.... unless some of you guys disagree to what was said here: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/....php?t=1582259...



                                Thanks.

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