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  • Jon, is that send active with cab models or can you select one direct and the other as cab sim on?

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    • I have a question (for those who have tired both).



      Which one do you like best? The SE or the LE?



      Thanks!



      SEA

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      • Quote Originally Posted by HKSblade1
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        Jon, is that send active with cab models or can you select one direct and the other as cab sim on?




        No, in either case, the Send is pre-amp/cab sim.
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        • How are the high gain tones? Can it do a decent heavy tone without buzzing (my main criticism of the POD)?



          Also, Jon, do you happen to know if the Vox also models the tone stack of the amp? For instance, on a Mesa, there is an active EQ circuit where the treble control is linked to the gain. So a small change in the treble control drastically alters the tone control as opposed to a Fender where it simply changes the high end a bit. I know this is how the POD's are modeled (at least the XT).



          Gonna check one out tonight! And thanks for the review.
          Guitar Rig: Musicman Silhouette -> Cool Cat Transparent OD -> Fender Mustang I (Twin model)
          Drum Rig: Mapex Pro M's, Saluda Mists, Evans heads

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          • Quote Originally Posted by Jarick
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            How are the high gain tones? Can it do a decent heavy tone without buzzing (my main criticism of the POD)?



            Also, Jon, do you happen to know if the Vox also models the tone stack of the amp? For instance, on a Mesa, there is an active EQ circuit where the treble control is linked to the gain. So a small change in the treble control drastically alters the tone control as opposed to a Fender where it simply changes the high end a bit. I know this is how the POD's are modeled (at least the XT).



            Gonna check one out tonight! And thanks for the review.




            I've heard some people say the hi-gain sounds are lacking, but I think they do a very good job. A clip I did was posred a few pages ago which demonstates an over the top hi-gain sound. This was done without any external effcts straight from converter to computer.

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            • It would be cool if VOX came out with the Tonelab Pro... a rack mount version with 2 Tonelabs inside and set it up so you can switch back and forth between the Tonelabs through velocity and have completely different settings like you can with the GT8.



              Something like this perhaps.







              I know a lot of people say the Boss is too digital and not as warm as the Tonelab... but what if you put the Boss through a tube amp? I know it's not going to be the same as the Tonelab but at least perhaps give it some warmth!



              SEA

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              • Quote Originally Posted by Jarick
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                Also, Jon, do you happen to know if the Vox also models the tone stack of the amp? For instance, on a Mesa, there is an active EQ circuit where the treble control is linked to the gain. So a small change in the treble control drastically alters the tone control as opposed to a Fender where it simply changes the high end a bit. I know this is how the POD's are modeled (at least the XT).




                The ToneLab does make an effort to model the tone controls (EQ and gain) of the amp (I think this is what you mean). Here's the relevant text, from p. 27 of the manual:



                CONTROLLING FACTORS

                As already touched on in this manual, although the amp model of your ToneLab LE houses controls for GAIN, VR GAIN, TREBLE, MIDDLE, BASS, PRESENCE and CH VOLUME, not all of the amps we’ve modelled have as many controls. In such cases, rather than leave you with knobs that do nothing (what on earth would be the point of that!?), we’ve made full use of all six (6) ToneLab LE controls without compromising the accuracy of any of our models. This means you’ll be able to mimic the full tonal spectrum of each and every one of the originals we’ve modelled...and then some, thanks to the extra flexibility and additional control the six ToneLab LE controls give you.



                For example, if an original amp doesn’t have a complete 3-band EQ network then we’ll set up the “missing” tone controls on our model to be “neutral” (i.e. as the original) when set at 12 o’clock — thus giving you extra tonal flexibility in those EQ areas, if you so wish. Just so you know, the amps we modelled that don’t have individual controls for Treble, Middle and Bass are:



                AMP / ORIGINAL TONE CONTROLS

                AC15 / Top Cut & Bass Cut Switch

                AC15TB / Treble & Bass

                AC30 / Top Cut only

                AC30TB / Treble, Bass, and Cut

                TWEED 1x12 / just one, called Tone!



                Also, as you’d probably expect, we do the same exact thing with the ToneLab LE’s PRESENCE control too — namely, if one isn’t present (bad pun, not intended!) on the original, then PRESENCE will be an added control on our model. This time though, the “neutral” position is when the control is all the way off (turned fully counter-clockwise). The two models this applies to are BLACK 2x12 and TWEED 1x12.



                IMPORTANT NOTE: As you’ll discover when you read their descriptions, in the case of the AC15, AC15TB, AC30 and AC30TB models, we’ve utilized the PRESENCE control to mimic the TOP CUT control — whether it was present on the original or not.
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                • Quote Originally Posted by Jon Chappell
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                  No, the ToneLab LE can't make your 6 sound like a 12. That would be a job for the Line 6 Variax, the Roland VG Strat, VG-88, or other guitar-modeling system.






                  Hey Jon!



                  Here's a thought... how about using the Line 6 Variax then running it through the Tonelab LE? Would that be something worth looking into (to capture that warmth people are looking for)



                  SEA

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                  • Quote Originally Posted by sea
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                    Hey Jon! Here's a thought... how about using the Line 6 Variax then running it through the Tonelab LE? Would that be something worth looking into (to capture that warmth people are looking for)




                    I love the Variax because of its simplicity and uncanny renditions of classic guitars. They won't replace the real thing, but in a mix, they sound pretty darn good. And for some situations -- a show that requires you to switch sounds on a dime -- it's a life-saver. (And who really wants to schlepp and maintain a banjo, 12-string, or Coral sitar for one cue?)



                    In the all-digital domain, the Variax is best designed to go through the POD XT Live or Vetta amp, because you can use the CAT-5 connection. But you can plug its audio output through any multi-effects processor, including the ToneLab. As a modeling guitar, though, I might not want to stray too far from nature -- preferring to balance the digitally modeled tones with an analog effects and amplification approach.
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                    • If you guys want some warmth, as mentioned above, check out www.atomicamps.com. I've got one that I'm using with a pod 2.0 (upgrading to tonelab le as soon as I get the cash) that yields great results... just thought I'd share that.

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                      • Hey Jon! I have just finished reading every post. (all 220! It took me two days!) Anyways, I haven't found any solid information on how well the TL LE can play metal (such as Metallica). I know that it has a metal distortion effect, but I am very curious on how much "metal distortion" it can give off. Could you possible post a sound clip on how much you can get from it?



                        BTW: Great review so far!

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                        • Quote Originally Posted by Mattsdf
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                          Hey Jon! I have just finished reading every post. (all 220! It took me two days!) Anyways, I haven't found any solid information on how well the TL LE can play metal (such as Metallica). I know that it has a metal distortion effect, but I am very curious on how much "metal distortion" it can give off. Could you possible post a sound clip on how much you can get from it? BTW: Great review so far!




                          Glad you found the posts helpful. But "how much metal" the LE can produce is highly subjective and infinitely variable, given the many parameters in the ToneLab. If you don't find any clips that are metal enough from the posts here or at the vox website, I suggest you download the manual and make note of the metal presets. Also, familiarize yourself with the appropriate controls (Pedal Modeler, Amp/Cab sim., EQ). Then go to your local TLLE dealer with notes (the written kind) in hand, and put the LE through its paces.



                          Or has someone out there in forum land made a specific effort to emulate the Metallica sound with the ToneLab?
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                          • What a great review and a great thread...thanks, Jon. Based on my experience with my AD60VTX, I plan on a TLLE (which seems to overcome many of the drawbacks I did find). As I read through I found that questions I came up with where subsequently answered, specifically about dotted-eighth delay...very happy to find out it does! "Bad" here I come. Funny that someone was considering a DD-20 to go with it...I was too.



                            How about stereo delays...which are true stereo (dry to one side, delayed to another)?



                            Aslo, I had planned on running through a Crate Powerblock (using the stereo inserts, bypassing the pre) and into a pair of 1x12 cabs, perhaps the new Valve Jr cabs (the Lady Luck supposed to be fairly flat).

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                            • Wow thanks Jon, great advice, and fast reply! I haven't found anything "metal enough" for my tastes yet on any fourms, but considering the processor is still fairly new thats no surpise. In the meantime, I will dowload the manual and check it out ASAP at Long n' Mquade (great store, if anyone is in Canada). But if any TL LE owners do find a good Metallica sounding metal, I would greatly appreciate it if you posted a sound cip of it. Thanks again everyone! Excellent Review!!!

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                              • Quote Originally Posted by WaveMagnet
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                                I'm a total noob when it comes to computers and guitars....which leads to the following questions?



                                My notebook PC and the family PowerBook don't have MIDI. If I get a USB to MIDI converter box will that allow me to edit and create patches using the TTLE software editor? Does TLLE's library store patches/objects in either format, does it matter if some patches are created using a Mac and some a PC? Or must I stick to one flavor of editor? Thanks.




                                I just purchased the LE this weekend. I have the converter and it doe's connect with the LE. I haven't tried to edit anything yet.



                                I did try to set up a few tones thru my AC30 and had practice thru a PA which obviously sounded different.

                                Would anyone beable to give me the recipe for a good Surf sound and Tom Petty's Last Dance tone.

                                I hope I don't become a pest but I'm stoked about the new toy.....

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