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  • Quote Originally Posted by onemanguitarban
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    First of all....thanks everyone for all of the useful info.



    I held off getting a ToneLab SE for years because I wanted a digital out. When the LE version came out, I was quite sure I was going to get one, assuming the reviews were positive. This forum affirmed that for me, before most stores even carried the product. Since I couldn't try one out in the store, I had to rely on the feedback of others before ordering one (I NEVER buy gear sight unseen, but I had to make an exception for this one).



    So I ordered one just over a month ago. I'm, sure I'll have more questions and hopefully I'll be able to add some insight into the product when I get a chance to get familiar with it.



    Regarding the 12 string effect. The only product I'm aware of that really does an outstanding job of this with any guitar is the POG from Electro-Harmonix.



    It is expensive....but it really does work and is the only thing I'd personally use to "replace" a 12 string.




    The E-H POG does sound pretty good (my reservation about the octave-raised 1st and 2nd strings notwithstanding). There are soundclips (and more info) here: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...30&src=3WFRWXX. Check out #2, "1 Octave Up": The stability in the chord playing is impressive. (Listen to the ring-out on the final D chord.)



    I like how in the blurb they say, "Works on chords!" It's the second sentence, and it's true. For me, that's an important, unique feature of the unit.
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    • JC

      Thanks for the insightful reply. I assumed what you had told me, but was unsure, and my in-store tests have been plagued by multiple loud sounds coming from various places in the "multi-store" so I could not hear a lot of the changes between sounds. I am still very interested in the TLLE, and possibly incorporating my pedal setup into it, but I am curious now, does the GT-8 allow for the sound over patch changes with its dual COSM deal? Our other guitarist had a GT-5 way back when and I wasnt to impressed, but...



      Thanks!

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      • Quote Originally Posted by Otherness
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        ... but I am curious now, does the GT-8 allow for the sound over patch changes with its dual COSM deal?




        Yes, it does ... to a point. I don't have a GT-8 handy, but I checked the owners' manual, and here's what I found on p. 71:



        Keeping Effect Sounds Playing After Patches Are Switched (Patch Change Mode)

        The GT-8 features a mode that is enabled when spatial effects (such as reverb and delay) are used, whereby the effects sound of one patch continues playing even after you switch to the next patch. If the necessary conditions regarding the effects chain and effect parameter settings are met, you can then have the decay of reverb, delay, and similar effects continue on into the next patch after you switch patches.




        With certain limitations, you can change patches in some mfx units while the sound continues over the patch change. Here, they don't mention modulation effects (chorus, flanger, etc.), saying only "decay of reverb, delay, and similar effects," and you originally cited "lush" as one of your "conditions," so I'd tread carefully here. Still, the GT-8 is to be commended for this feature.
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        • I am currently upgrading my equipment.



          I have a Gibson Les Paul 58' Reissue and a Fender Stratocaster 62' Reissue.



          I recently purchased a Marshall 1962 Bluesbreaker Combo which I will run clean with pedals.



          The plan is to still be able to hear the Gibson and Fender guitar tones.



          My tone snob friends say I should get the following : Fulltone OCD, Boss DD-6 (to get by) and a Boss Tuner.



          For the cost of those three I am at the level of a Tonelab LE.



          Basically, do the guitars signature sounds come out of a Tonelab LE or am I just ruining/neutering my Gibson/Fender/Marshall combination and should stick with single pedals?
          "If wishes were horses then dreamers would ride"
          Jon Butcher

          Guitars; Gibson CS Les Paul 58' RI', Gibson CS Les Paul 57' RI, MIJ Fender Stratocaster 62' RI, ESP - LTD400NT, Tacoma DM9

          Amps; Marshall Bluesbreaker RI - 30 Watt Version, Vox ACC30C1, Fender G-Dec, Peavey Bravo 112, Crate Stealth 50 Combo

          Pedals; Fulltone OCD, Subdecay F-Bomb (Fuzz), BBE Freq Boost, Boss TU-2, DD-6, MT-2, RV-5, ProCo Rat II, Danelectro FAB Chours

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          • Quote Originally Posted by Dragonsoni
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            I am currently upgrading my equipment.

            I have a Gibson Les Paul 58' Reissue and a Fender Stratocaster 62' Reissue.

            I recently purchased a Marshall 1962 Bluesbreaker Combo which I will run clean with pedals.

            The plan is to still be able to hear the Gibson and Fender guitar tones.

            My tone snob friends say I should get the following : Fulltone OCD, Boss DD-6 (to get by) and a Boss Tuner.

            For the cost of those three I am at the level of a Tonelab LE.



            Basically, do the guitars signature sounds come out of a Tonelab LE or am I just ruining/neutering my Gibson/Fender/Marshall combination and should stick with single pedals?




            You have a nice arsenal, and it's obvious you care about tone. So certainly the OCD/DD-6 setup (the tuner is negligible here, except for the price factor) is a very "low impact" way to shape the tone of the guitar and amp.



            But it strikes me as an apples & oranges comparison. A multi-fx is not for someone who can get by with a delay and an overdrive. If you don't need five or six different distortion settings at the press of a button, if you don't need complex modulation sounds, if you don't need a volume/wah pedal, if you don't need programmable patch changes, then you don't need to consider any mfx -- ToneLab or otherwise.



            Try this: go through your set list, or your favorite songs that you're likely to play at a jam session or with your band. If you can make adjustments to just a couple of stompboxes on the fly, then you're probably not a candidate for a mfx. But if you play a lot of diverse music (weddings, house band, theater/pit guitarist, teacher, hired gun), and if versatile tone options are as important (if not more) than purity, you're definitely looking at a mfx. (Sometimes the audience or client is more impressed by being able to switch sounds on a time than they are with just tone.)



            Now, for the more probing question: "Will the ToneLab 'ruin' your sound?" No more than any other effect, no less. Some people argue that analog is a "purer" way to modify your guitar signal than digital, but that's just superstition; we do digital conversions all the time, and no one seems to complain then (mp3's, CDs, DVDs, computer-based recording). If you want more of the pure guitar sound to shine through, don't dial in the effects so heavily. But you choose an effect -- let's say it's a distortion pedal -- based on its quality. You opt for a Keely or a Fulltone or a vintage Ibanez because you prefer one over the others, for your sound, not for any issues of purity.



            But back to your specific situation. Your point about the price is a good one, but the actual usage of the effects setup that you propose applies to two entirely different scenarios. So decide if you're a stripped-down, stompbox-as-needed guy, or a mfx user. If you decide you need a mfx, consider the ToneLab, along with others of its class.
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            • Jon,



              Thanks for the great answer. I really want multiple effects and the pedals I listed were just to get me by. I think a unit like the Tonelab LE will work for me. I think individual pedals just may turn into a long time pursuit.



              I am concerned about transparency and the guitar voices. Thanks again for clarifing that adjusting the effects level will help with that.



              I know you can't endorse a product. But for everyone else.



              How does the Tonelab LE stack up with the Boss GT-8, Rocktron Uptopia, Digitech RP350, Lines Floor Pod, Plus or XTlive and any other current available MFX processor at $500 mainly tone?



              On a side note I do have a Fender G-DEC which is all modaling and it sounds really good with my guitars. I think Fender could do a go job of making it's cyber technology into a floor model but then they wouldn't seel the amps.



              Types of music are the basic blues, rock blues, rock, hard rock and metal. Jimi/Trower/SRV/Bonomassa but Randy/Zack/Lynch too.



              Thanks to all
              "If wishes were horses then dreamers would ride"
              Jon Butcher

              Guitars; Gibson CS Les Paul 58' RI', Gibson CS Les Paul 57' RI, MIJ Fender Stratocaster 62' RI, ESP - LTD400NT, Tacoma DM9

              Amps; Marshall Bluesbreaker RI - 30 Watt Version, Vox ACC30C1, Fender G-Dec, Peavey Bravo 112, Crate Stealth 50 Combo

              Pedals; Fulltone OCD, Subdecay F-Bomb (Fuzz), BBE Freq Boost, Boss TU-2, DD-6, MT-2, RV-5, ProCo Rat II, Danelectro FAB Chours

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              • The Tonelabs effects sound great but my question is how does the metal distortion sound...I haven't seen anyone show or review it. If anybody could possibly upload a sound clip of it that would be great. . .or at least make a quick review.



                Thanks

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                • Jon - thanks for being a great reviewer and moderator.

                  I own the TLSE and I really love it. I play it through a Roland keyboard amp, and it has worked great at small gigs. I approach amp modeling as a means of finding my own original sound without having to lug around 70 lbs of tube amplification.

                  I love having two rocker predals on the SE, and I am bummed to see those go. I also relate to people's wish to have a distortion pedal and vox wah going at the same time. Also, I like the A/B switch on the SE because the reverb and delay keep going after the switch is pressed.

                  I think the frustration over not being able to use multiple modeled effects at once is simply because the unit sounds so great. I would love to hear the great univibe model along with the great tube screamer model. I'd rather pay Vox the $100 to put that feature under the hood, than drag around another pedal.

                  I actually wish Vox would produce a more expensive version of the Tonelab with 2 rocker pedals, 2 modeled effects banks, and an A/B switch. Tone geeks like me are willing to spend the money.

                  I like that I only carry one item to a gig which has everything I need, and almost everything I want.

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                  • Towards the end here, I read about the ability to have effects "spillover" to the other patches.



                    So say you run a delay for a solo and switch back into rhythm, can that delay "spillover" to the next patch?



                    Does this new Vox do that?



                    Some other FX processors that can do it, Rocktron Xpression, Boss GT-8, Zoom GFX-8 (prev generation to the new G series). I think that I remembered reading that the G9 can do it as well.



                    Also is the pitch shifter intelligent?



                    How transparent is it when bypassed?



                    Thank you.
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                    • Hi, and thanks for a great review! I found this, in my mind, beautiful sound in the demos section at Vox featuring one of their single pedals - the V848. Anyone think a similar-ish sound could be achieved with the LE?



                      The demo is called "Vintage Funk Delay Wah Demo".





                      Thanks!

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                      • Another question, is it possible to use the send as a splitter and send a unaffected signal to a recording device?



                        I'm figuring you can't cause it's wired in series, but it would be really nice if you could.

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                        • Quote Originally Posted by Nuno_F
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                          Another question, is it possible to use the send as a splitter and send a unaffected signal to a recording device?



                          I'm figuring you can't cause it's wired in series, but it would be really nice if you could.




                          Here's the deal with the Insert jack. You can use the Send as a splitter, because there's always a straight signal coming out of the jack, whether the Insert is activated or not. So, to take your example, here's how you'd wire it:



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                          • Quote Originally Posted by Jon Chappell
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                            Here's the deal with the Insert jack. You can use the Send as a splitter, because there's always a straight signal coming out of the jack, whether the Insert is activated or not. So, to take your example, here's how you'd wire it:







                            Cool



                            That's perfect then. I am getting myself one of those very soon. Thanks for the help

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                            • Quote Originally Posted by tonyoto
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                              Hi, and thanks for a great review! I found this, in my mind, beautiful sound in the demos section at Vox featuring one of their single pedals - the V848. Anyone think a similar-ish sound could be achieved with the LE? The demo is called "Vintage Funk Delay Wah Demo".




                              You're right, this is a tasty and varied showcasing of the Vox V848. Thanks for including the link here. But you raise some interesting philosphical questions:



                              The 848 is made by Vox, who also makes the wah pedal mechanism and circuitry for the ToneLab. The manual even says that the two modeled wahs in the TLLE are based on the 847 and 848. Presumably, they're going to borrow some mechanical technology -- at least -- from the actual 847/848 to be used in the treadle that's included on the TL.



                              But just because Vox models their own pedal, is it necessarily any better than another company modeling the effect in question? (Assuming someone has modeled a Vox wah.) Does Fender make the best '59 Bassman effect (their stompbox version) just because they put out the original amp?



                              Or is this a different case, because of the aforementioned "borrowed technology"? (Many effects between Vox and Korg effects are carried over, because the circuitry is identical.)



                              We may never know the answer (that's why I called them "philosophical questions"), because it would be hard to prove -- unless you did some real forensic work on the components, and/or you knew someone in Vox's engineering dept.



                              What you'd have to do is learn the music for the demo, and then try to emulate it on a ToneLab. Or better yet, make the guy who played the original demo on an 848 learn it, and see what he thinks!
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                              • I'm a total noob when it comes to computers and guitars....which leads to the following questions?



                                My notebook PC and the family PowerBook don't have MIDI. If I get a USB to MIDI converter box will that allow me to edit and create patches using the TTLE software editor? Does TLLE's library store patches/objects in either format, does it matter if some patches are created using a Mac and some a PC? Or must I stick to one flavor of editor? Thanks.

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