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  • Quote Originally Posted by drewbrothers
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    MediaMan09 is going to create an area on his site which apple apps will be located.










    Quote Originally Posted by drewbrothers
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    I have mentioned mediaman09 that we should start sharing some of these apps with each other, just like we with other stuff




    Just to be clear(er), all we are "sharing" is the list of apps (and direct links to them)...not the apps themselves !! .



    drewbrothers gave me some good ideas which I will implement in the days aheads..
    iPB-10 Ready Reference Web Site
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    • Quote Originally Posted by thebioguy
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      There is a much bigger problem not very far down the road.



      The iPB-10 will never be passes onto your kids. It will never be vintage or classic. Why? The Nexus app will not be updated indefinitely. At some point, there will be an iOS update that kills Nexus, and at some point DT will end their support of it. When these two points intersect, your iPB-10 is dead. (Nexus was the first app I checked after iOS6). Remember, Nexus is more than just an editor, (like Genedit or Xedit). This makes Nexus is the most expensive app on your iPad. When Nexus dies, it will cost you $500.



      This is why the "one engineer" approach to support is the fatal flaw in their business model. And for us, a fatal flaw in the product design. (Try getting support for Pro Tools 7 or earlier....and they charge half a grand for the product. Nexus is free!).



      DT must articulate how they plan to support this product going forward. Otherwise the clock is ticking.




      Ummm... what piece of computer hardware is going to last to the next generation? Do you remember what a computer or "portable" phone looked like 15 years ago? I'm hoping kids today will have stomp boxes implanted in their toes by the time they're my age.

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      • Quote Originally Posted by Illinidan
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        I totally agree with this, and there is financial incentive for DT to add a feature like this. I have to disagree, though, with the addition of tangential capabilities like tab and recording. I like the fact that I can choose from a number of such products that will work with iPB and Nexus already, and I'd rather have the Nexus app stick with what it's good at, namely being a great interface to design pedalboard/amp patches and store a library of them. Improve that capability, and add enhancements to that, such as save/share patches, looper, tap tempo, downloadable pedals sims, etc. but don't worry about extra functionality that's already available from app developers that are focused on those pieces. My two cents, anyway.




        +1



        I don't think Nexus/IPB could ever duplicate all of the functions of something like Garageband. That's the beauty of having a device like the IPad integrated with the IPB-10... you have access to all the great IOS software already out there. Don't like Garageband? Use what you like. Perfect. I think this benefit gets lost sometimes in discussions of why the IPad/IPB-10 combo is so cool.



        The idea of including app buttons in Nexus that go out to other apps might be useful, but honestly I just use the 4-finger swipe to see the shortcuts and I would think that works about as well as dedicated buttons would.

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        • Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_Fingers
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          Ummm... what piece of computer hardware is going to last to the next generation? Do you remember what a computer or "portable" phone looked like 15 years ago? I'm hoping kids today will have stomp boxes implanted in their toes by the time they're my age.




          Maybe , but some have minimized the update delay by suggesting that their classic pedals have never enjoyed an update. That in some sense, an updatable pedal/multi is all upside, no downside. But that's not the case. Tying the board to Nexus, gives the iPB-10 a limited lifespan. My Memory Man Deluxe, MXR flanger and Phase 90, were given to me by my cousin, 25 years ago! And they still sound great! I doubt that DT will even remember Nexus 25 years from now.

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          • Quote Originally Posted by thebioguy
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            Maybe , but some have minimized the update delay by suggesting that their classic pedals have never enjoyed an update. That in some sense, an updatable pedal/multi is all upside, no downside. But that's not the case. Tying the board to Nexus, gives the iPB-10 a limited lifespan. My Memory Man Deluxe, MXR flanger and Phase 90, were given to me by my cousin, 25 years ago! And they still sound great! I doubt that DT will even remember Nexus 25 years from now.




            But don't you think this is apples and oranges? An analog pedal or device will be time-proof because it's analog. As long as the components are good it'll last a long time. But digital devices are basically computers and will only be "current" (sorry for the pun) until the next generation of chips comes along. In the end, the IPB-10 (not Nexus) is limited by its DSP and the signal processing algorithms running on it, and those are going to keep getting better/faster, which inherently limits its life.

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            • Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_Fingers
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              But don't you think this is apples and oranges? An analog pedal or device will be time-proof because it's analog. As long as the components are good it'll last a long time. But digital devices are basically computers and will only be "current" (sorry for the pun) until the next generation of chips comes along. In the end, the IPB-10 (not Nexus) is limited by its DSP and the signal processing algorithms running on it, and those are going to keep getting better/faster, which inherently limits its life.




              I think this is the wrong comparison. The quality of the components does not dictate the pedals lifespan. I've had to change the potentiometer on my Cry Baby twice! It's a multitude of factors (popularity, endorsement, sound, etc...). But, no matter how many of those marks the iPB-10 hits, it won't survive past a fatal Nexus crash.



              All I'm saying is that this is a fundamentally different type of product. It will die simultaneously for EVERYBODY. And that time will come sooner rather than later. There is an iOS update out there, somewhere in the near future, that will kill this device, and it is out of our control. You can't put it in storage, you can get it serviced, you can't pass it down.



              I've read in numerous reviews how this unit was built like a tank, to survive on the road and last a lifetime. But not one word regarding this fatal flaw.

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                • Quote Originally Posted by MediaMan09
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                  DigiTechRep, can you comment on this issue?



                  DT cannot support a product forever, so I am fine with that... but the point about a future iOS update potentiially killing Nexus and thus rendering iPB-10 dead , well that's a different matter, and one worthy of some discussion. Would like to hear your pespective on this, hopefuly in a way to put the issue to rest!




                  I have no idea what this means. A future update killing the iPB-10? I don't see how that is possible, whether or not an update is backward compatible is entirely up to us. And if some future update doesn't work with the iPB-10, it wouldn't kill the the iPB-10 or Nexus.



                  This seems like weird FUD to me.

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                  • Quote Originally Posted by thebioguy
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                    I think this is the wrong comparison. The quality of the components does not dictate the pedals lifespan. I've had to change the potentiometer on my Cry Baby twice! It's a multitude of factors (popularity, endorsement, sound, etc...). But, no matter how many of those marks the iPB-10 hits, it won't survive past a fatal Nexus crash.



                    All I'm saying is that this is a fundamentally different type of product. It will die simultaneously for EVERYBODY. And that time will come sooner rather than later. There is an iOS update out there, somewhere in the near future, that will kill this device, and it is out of our control. You can't put it in storage, you can get it serviced, you can't pass it down.



                    I've read in numerous reviews how this unit was built like a tank, to survive on the road and last a lifetime. But not one word regarding this fatal flaw.




                    You're right, it is a different type of product and as such it will have certain limitations, basically the ones that come along with being a computer, like limited software life... and to my mind, limited hardware life too. But that doesn't seem fatal to me.



                    I don't think the IPB/Nexus will necessarily stop working for everyone at the same time. Nobody is forced to update iOS. So how about this: buy an iPad 1 for the IPB on Ebay (currently see one for about $100, prices dropping fast), don't update iOS on it when that fateful day arrives that iOS no longer works with Nexus, and keep the final version of iOS/Nexus at that point. Solder that iPad into the IPB and give the whole thing to your offspring Of course by then there will no doubt be an IPad 4 or 5 or ... so instead of buying an IPad 1 you could just keep your old one when you upgrade to a newer IPad, and Bob's Your Uncle!



                    Ok, now I'm going to go play some music

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                    • Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_Fingers
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                      You're right, it is a different type of product and as such it will have certain limitations, basically the ones that come along with being a computer, like limited software life... and to my mind, limited hardware life too. But that doesn't seem fatal to me.



                      I don't think the IPB/Nexus will necessarily stop working for everyone at the same time. Nobody is forced to update iOS. So how about this: buy an iPad 1 for the IPB on Ebay (currently see one for about $100, prices dropping fast), don't update iOS on it when that fateful day arrives that iOS no longer works with Nexus, and keep the final version of iOS/Nexus at that point. Solder that iPad into the IPB and give the whole thing to your offspring Of course by then there will no doubt be an IPad 4 or 5 or ... so instead of buying an IPad 1 you could just keep your old one when you upgrade to a newer IPad, and Bob's Your Uncle!



                      Ok, now I'm going to go play some music




                      Yes, I suppose that would work. Although I doubt that was part of the original vision when this product was conceived. Now, the trick is to know when to stop updating your iOS, because you can't go back.

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                      • Quote Originally Posted by DigiTechRep
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                        I have no idea what this means. A future update killing the iPB-10? I don't see how that is possible, whether or not an update is backward compatible is entirely up to us. And if some future update doesn't work with the iPB-10, it wouldn't kill the the iPB-10 or Nexus.




                        Yes, it most definitely will. (Now, this blindness is truly a frightening development.)



                        To be clear. I said a future iOS update killing the Nexus app. For example, the Qrafter app (look it up) just announced that their latest update will be the last to support iOS 4.2.x or earlier. This is the future of Nexus, unless DT has a strategy to keep the Nexus app alive past the iPB-10 discontinuation date. The compatibility of the "last" Nexus update, to future iOS updates, is NOT up to DT. It's up to Apple.



                        To repeat, an iOS update that kills Nexus (past DT's support date), kills the iPB-10 for EVERYONE at the same time.



                        (Am I the only one who has every updated an OS, or shelled out another 500 bucks to keep Pro Tools alive? Seriously?)

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                        • Quote Originally Posted by thebioguy
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                          Yes, it most definitely will. (Now, this blindness is truly a frightening development.)



                          To be clear. I said a future iOS update killing the Nexus app. For example, the Qrafter app (look it up) just announced that their latest update will be the last to support iOS 4.2.x or earlier. This is the future of Nexus, unless DT has a strategy to keep the Nexus app alive past the iPB-10 discontinuation date.



                          To repeat, an iOS update that kills Nexus (past DT's support date), kills the iPB-10 for EVERYONE at the same time.




                          We have kept abreast of every change to iOS since the introduction of the iPB-10 and our plan is to continue to do so. Will we support every permutation of OS that Apple (or someone else) creates forever? No.



                          Just to make sure I understand, your complaint is that the future is uncertain and things become obsolete?

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                          • Quote Originally Posted by DigiTechRep
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                            Will we support every permutation of OS that Apple (or someone else) creates forever? No.




                            (Progress at last.)



                            Forever is a very high bar. However, Every pedal I own is over 20 years old (except for my Pitch Black tuner). But my graveyard of unsupported software is full (Cakewalk 4.0 for DOS, Pro Tools LE including my old MBox which didn't work after the purchase of ver 9, etc.).









                            Quote Originally Posted by DigiTechRep
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                            Just to make sure I understand, your complaint is that that the future is uncertain and thing go obsolete?




                            Cute, but that's not my concern. Maybe you should read it again.



                            DT could extend the life of the iPB past the Nexus support date by planning to release the API after they are done with it.



                            Either way, we need a statement from DT regarding what they plan to do when this time comes.

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                            • Quote Originally Posted by thebioguy
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                              (Progress at last.)



                              Forever is a very high bar. However, Every pedal I own is over 20 years old (except for my Pitch Black tuner). But my graveyard of unsupported software is full (Cakewalk 4.0 for DOS, Pro Tools LE including my old MBox which didn't work after the purchase of ver 9, etc.).







                              Cute, but that's not my concern. Maybe you should read it again.



                              DT could extend the life of the iPB past the Nexus support date by planning to release the API after they are done with it.



                              Either way, we need a statement from DT regarding what they plan to do when this time comes.




                              We will support the iPB-10 for as long as we are able.

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                              • Another way to look at it...



                                2011 - iPB-10 introduced



                                2012- IOS6 announced

                                2012- iPB-10 still supported, Nexus validated to run on IOS6

                                2012 -All ipad users upgrade to IOS 6. No Nexus issues



                                2013- IOS7 announced

                                2013- iPB-10 still supported, Nexus validated to run on IOS7

                                2013 -All ipad users upgrade to IOS 7. No Nexus issues



                                2014- IOS8 announced

                                2014- iPB-10 no longer supported (say). Nexus NOT validated and say wont run on IOS8.

                                2014 -All ipad users upgrade to IOS 8.



                                Nexus no longer works ( for all users worldwide). iPB-10 only works in standalone mode, with whatever settings are currently applied. Now what?



                                One offseting solution might be if there was some other way to apply settings eg an Xedit like desktop app .. or the API route.... or ???
                                iPB-10 Ready Reference Web Site
                                My new home for forum discussions : DigiTech iPB-10 USER FORUM (at TGP)

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