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    I was messing around in the studio and thought I'd do a little audio test.
    Thought it would be fun to match the audio to the instruments.

    I posted this in the guitar forum too bacause so many say wood has no affect on the tone and only the pickups matter. As you can clearly hear in the clips and see in the
    screen shots they definately have different tone. My guess is thay have no experience playing multiple guitars with the same pickups.

    The three guitars below have the same pickups and did a short track with all three.
    Thought it would be fun to have everyone match the sound of each guitar to the ones in the picture. I provides an audio clip and audio analizer screen shot of each.

    The pickups are all from the same manufacture and have the same ohm readings and are adjusted the same distance from the strings. Same brand of strings used.
    I had the volume and tone pots maxed on all and played the same basic clean chords on each clip.

    I used the Neck only first, Then Neck and Bridge, then the Bridge only on all three clips. I changed no audio settings and recorded the guitars direct for maximum fidelity.

    Heres the three guitars.
    First left is a solid Maple build,
    Second center a Epi Dot,
    Third Left is a semihollow Walnut/Rosewood/Maple Tele Build.

    All have the same Mini Humbuckers Installed.
    The differences in tone are due to the guitar builds and wood



    Heres the three audio Files.

    Guitar A http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1682170/Trio%20Test%20AA.mp3
    Guitar B http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1682170/Trio%20Test%20BB.mp3
    Guitar C http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1682170/Trio%20Test%20CC.mp3




    Heres the Three Audio Analizer Shots

    Guitar A


    Guitar B


    Guitar C

  • #2
    There will still be doubters.
    It's 4am woman make up your mind. EITHER SPIT IT OUT OR SWALLOW IT!!!

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    • #3
      Cool experiment. We need more of this.
      Guitars:
      -Fender Wayne's World 2 Stratocaster w/Fat '50s pickups
      -Fender Blacktop Jaguar HH
      Amps:
      -Fender Champion 110 w/Lil' Buddy
      -Fender Princeton 112 Plus w/Red White and Blues
      -Crate Palomino V8
      Effects:
      -Way Huge Swollen Pickle Jumbo Fuzz
      -Pro Co You Dirty Rat Distortion
      -MXR Carbon Copy Delay

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      • #4
        Very cool. It would be great if there was a whole series of these for many wood combinations somewhere out therte on the interwebs. The difference between the dot and the two solids is expected, the difference between the maple and the walnut/rosewood is clear, even to my damaged hearing. Having identical setups with only wood as a variable is very useful and I would love to see more of these type of comparisons. You need to build more guitars in the name of science, WRG.

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        • #5
          Yes very intresting on the diffrent woods ,i mess around with cheap guitars for my kid,my favourite guitar to modify are the 70,s columbus les paul copys ie the white one with the 50 m thick solid body,i think they are made from hardwood and the guitar weighs approx 4.6 kg,i normaly fit them with Gibson burst buckers and to be honest when played through a same set up rig,his columbus dosent sound any diffrent to a Propper les paul, and my kid says with a 2mm action it plays just the same as a gibson as well,in saying that tho he would love to own an expensive gibson, :thu: he just wouldent gigg with it.

          his first guitar was a balsa wood encore strat wich i bought at the boot fair for 30$ ,and put 3 seymoure strat pickups in,this sounds nothing like a USA strat at all with a comparison test,but if a drunk knocks it over at 2 am in a morning ,at saves having a brawl and i just make another one for $ 30 :cop: :facepalm: ,in saying that tho the guitar has its own sound ie very thin and he plays it everytime he giggs out of choice.

          the nicest guitar we have is a EA250 epiphone semi acuistic and that sounds wounderfull on blues tunes,but that ones never gigged :thu:

          from the 3 samples i like the epi dot best ,sounds wonderfull.

          just out of intrest ,this is my kids demo, on our "no budjet guitars "the first guns roses bit is on the columbus and the tune last pride & joy is played on the strat,both guitars played through a marshall lm 6100 100w combo.
          http://www.myspace.com/musicalosgringos/music/songs/our-demo-los-gringos-medley-mp3-78904147

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          • #6
            Very cool. It would be great if there was a whole series of these for many wood combinations somewhere out therte on the interwebs. The difference between the dot and the two solids is expected, the difference between the maple and the walnut/rosewood is clear, even to my damaged hearing. Having identical setups with only wood as a variable is very useful and I would love to see more of these type of comparisons. You need to build more guitars in the name of science, WRG.


            Well I've built allot of guitars But it would be pretty boaring without different pickup combinations to add to the tonal differences.
            I could post more clips to show the differences but the differences in tone would be racked up to the pickups not the wood and pickup combinations.

            I do have three very different strat combinations. They all have single coils. Maybe I'll post those.

            By the way any guess on which clip matches which guitar?

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            • #7
              WRGKMC ,have you used active pickups in a strat ? i think Gilmore used to use active,it would be intresting to hear the diffrence in a usa strat and a usa strat with actives also just out of intrest ,what pickups do you prefer in a semi acuistic (335 ) for blues /knoppfler type no pick playing ?

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              • #8
                ^^ An active pickup simply has a preamp built in for a clean analog boost.
                The pickup is wound with lower impedance (less wimds or lower magnetic flux)
                This gives the pickup a wider frequency responce. Then they add a preamp to boost the signal up
                to a normal pickup strength. Nothing magical about it other than some added clarity and presence.

                I do have some active circuits in guitars I've put in guitars.
                One is a clean boost preamp that I have in a Casino copy with P90 pickups.
                The preamp nearly tripples their output strength and by doing so the presence is much stronger.

                I have a midrange boost/cut in a strat which is very cool, it will boost or cut the mid freqiencues of a strat and
                let you get any tones from an eric clapton tupe tone to a Dire straits type tone.

                The third guitar has a 5 way distortion built into a strat. It can nail that Joe Walsh Tone plugged straight into an amp.

                All are Artec Circuits you can pick up cheap here http://guitarfuel.com/Home_Page.php
                They have very low noise, easy to install, and battery live is extremely long if you unplug your instrument to disconnect the battery.
                I left one plugged in for a week and it still didnt drain the battery.

                I'll see if I can remember to make some clips so you can hear how they sound.

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                • #9
                  Nice test. The scale length on the Epi Dot plays a part too. Probably the best blind test I've heard is the one done a few years ago at the GAL convention where StewMac donated necks, parts, and electronics for three identical guitars built by Saul Koll (IIRC). The only difference between the three were the woods: ash, alder, and pawlonia (again, IIRC). Very noticeable difference in the pawlonia, and a very subtle difference between the ash and alder - so much so that it was hard to remember which sound went with which wood during a blind test, but always easy to pick out the Pawlonia.
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                  • #10
                    ^^^ The scale length on all three is 25.5" so its really not a factor.
                    other than the Tele necks have one less fret.

                    All use TOM bridges. The stop tail on the DOT has the strings wrapped over the tail vs through the tail.
                    This helps to mimick the string hight and downward pressure on a bridge a floating tailpiece provides.

                    The tailpiece on the Hollowbody Tele was shortened in comparison to the one on the left.

                    Any guesses on which guitar matches which clip?

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                    • #11
                      Interesting. I could only guess which is which but I can tell you,

                      In the first 2 pickup positions I liked guitar C best
                      In the third pickup position I liked guitar B

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                      • #12
                        ^^ Hum thats curious. What kind of guitars do you normally play?

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                        • #13
                          pickup mfg. is not "six sigma" hell its likely not even 2-3 sigma; so all differences can be accounted for in pickup variation so you MUST install the exact same pickup on each guitar

                          kidding, nice exp!

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                          • #14
                            pickup mfg. is not "six sigma" hell its likely not even 2-3 sigma; so all differences can be accounted for in pickup variation so you MUST install the exact same pickup on each guitar

                            kidding, nice exp!


                            Yea, I'm getting picked appart on that stuff minor crap on the guitar forum.
                            I even changed all the strings at the same time friday night on all three and broke them in 2 hours each.
                            i even polished and crowned the frets, reset actions to match exactly.

                            The left and right Guitars in the pics have the same gotah bridges and same Fender tuners.
                            All three have brass nuts. All that stuff can have minor differences in tone of course, but
                            the point is what are the strings attatchhed to? Three very different guitars.
                            A few ohms difference in pickups dont ammount to a hill of beans on a recording.

                            The point is the collective construction and wood materials are different on all three so all three sound slightly
                            different. What you cant post in a clip is how they feel in youir hands playing them. The string vibration feels very different and that
                            same vibration difference you feel gets conducted into the strings.

                            Anyone ever talk through a tin can telephone? Strings conduct sound from one end to the other fairly well the same way a
                            guitar string does. It transmits sound into the body, it resonates through the body and passes back up into the string from both ends.

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                            • #15
                              ^^^ The scale length on all three is 25.5" so its really not a factor.
                              other than the Tele necks have one less fret.

                              All use TOM bridges. The stop tail on the DOT has the strings wrapped over the tail vs through the tail.
                              This helps to mimick the string hight and downward pressure on a bridge a floating tailpiece provides.

                              The tailpiece on the Hollowbody Tele was shortened in comparison to the one on the left.

                              Any guesses on which guitar matches which clip?


                              interesting. The spec's from Epiphone on the dot have it at 24.75", like other Gibson family instruments.
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