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  • #46
    doctor, doctor

    in craig anderton's old musicplayer forum, bruce swedien once described a stereo mic-ing techinque where an instrument is recorded blumlein and then recorded again, matching as closely as possible the first pass. the first pass is panned left all the way left and right 2 o'clock. the second pass is panned left 10 o'clock and right all the way right. if the second pass matches the first, it will sound like one instrument, sitting nicely big in the middle of the stereo field.

    i tried this in the playroom of my house (a smallish room with carpeted floor, paneled walls, slanted ceiling, a big couch soaking up some of the sound), playing a three-stringed instrument called a strumstick, which i bought at an art fair. it looks a little like a martin backpacker. it's chromatic. the strings are tuned (low)g-d-(high)g. it sounds kind of like a banjo.

    i recorded this using an mbox and protools le 6.4 through a pc laptop onto an external drive. the mics are cheap: samson c03s. i played the strumstick inches away from the mics, close, but far enough away to catch the first reflections from the instrument in the room (per mr. swedien's advice). after that, i strummed one pass of an acoustic guitar using the same blumlein setup. the bass is from reason: the "bass guitar" preset from subtractor with the decay set shorter than the preset had it.

    i sang the lead vocal through one of the c03s, set cardioid, from 6 inches away. i sang the harmonies (a low one and a high one) through the same mic, standing four feet away to pick up some of the room and to thin out the sound of the voices using the proximity effect. i doubled the harmonies and panned the low one part way left and the high one part way right.

    i mixed this on another system, a tdm system, taking a little bottom off the lead vocal and putting it and the harmonies through bombfactory 1176s (grouping the harmonies). i limited the mix just a touch to control peaks with an L1.

    i didn't use any reverbs or anything like that, hoping that the room sound would surfice.

    i was trying to get that matching blumlein thing going and to successfully use the proximty effect on the harmonies, as well as using the room's natural reverberence instead of a reverb plug-in.

    would love to hear comments.
    Quiet Room Noise. Ambient light in a peaceful room.

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    • #47
      I have a new song up on myspace that I would like some recording comments. I know that isnt the best medium, after some comments I will try to get the song on a better host.

      Check out the song Darkness Falls
      on www.myspace.com/1000carcrasheswaitingtoha
      PRS STD22 Satin, MIM Tele with SD Hot Rail,
      Small Stone Nano, Dunlop Crybaby, Univox PHZ1 Phazer, Maxon OD808
      Ampeg VL-1001,'72 Fender Vibrosonic, Mesa TremOVerb,

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      • #48
        Hey Bruce! Thanks for the listen and input! I will try some of the things you mention and that's funny what you said about the drums because i was thinking the same thing about them. They are kinda boring.


        Doctor Doctor is a cool tune! I like the words.

        Man i tell you "Doctor Doctor" sounds good to me!

        Post more tunes in the future Bruce. Very nice!


        -Bob
        Skermetta S-100 5#
        James Tyler studio Elite Ice Water SE 2K 8#
        08' Gibson LP STD Faded
        Bogner Goldfinger 45
        PWE EH3

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        • #49
          "darkness falls" (kranak)-- i like how all those different styles and voices work together. the atmospheric stuff sounds nice. the guitars sound cool (is that an ebow i hear?).

          the only thing that i would take a look at is the relationship between the bass guitar and the kick drum. they seem to be fighting for the same piece of the spectrum. maybe brighten the bass-- take a little of the extreme bottom end off-- to separate it from the kick.

          all in all, i think it's a really cool track.


          spirithunter--thanks for the kind words.

          bruce.
          Quiet Room Noise. Ambient light in a peaceful room.

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          • #50
            Thanks bruce, I was thinking the same about the bass and drum. I will work on that. There is no ebow just alot of volume and feedback. I appreciate you listening.
            PRS STD22 Satin, MIM Tele with SD Hot Rail,
            Small Stone Nano, Dunlop Crybaby, Univox PHZ1 Phazer, Maxon OD808
            Ampeg VL-1001,'72 Fender Vibrosonic, Mesa TremOVerb,

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            • #51
              just alot of volume and feedback. ...


              i like...i like... it's well controlled and fits in the fix really well.
              Quiet Room Noise. Ambient light in a peaceful room.

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              • #52
                Thanks I will work on a bit more mixing and then post again.
                PRS STD22 Satin, MIM Tele with SD Hot Rail,
                Small Stone Nano, Dunlop Crybaby, Univox PHZ1 Phazer, Maxon OD808
                Ampeg VL-1001,'72 Fender Vibrosonic, Mesa TremOVerb,

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                • #53
                  ANother quick diddy--just jamin' around for a few hours ..my 16 year old nephew & wife wrote the lyrics. Only my 3rd time on harp..I only have the one key

                  Lot of sequencing of single drum tracks, on the Kurzweils, I wrote
                  ..and about 8 tracks of vocals..Don't really listen to Rap--so not sure the genre with this one...

                  KaLeeFornYa
                  C Jo Go
                  Crystal Studios

                  CRYSTAL STUDIOS

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                  • #54
                    "" C JoGo--how i'd like to hear a 1920 kalamazoo guitar! i couldn't open the link. (550/.public/MAJIK.mp3: No such file or directory)""


                    This one should load, now


                    M A J I K

                    A dual mic --- NTK over the middle of the neck ( which he leaned into to sing , also ) and a AT 4033 on the bottom of this 20's Kalamazoo( which looked worse than WIllie Nelsons' guitar)

                    --one-take...so not too much seperation on vocal/guitar...just the way this artist likes to work..
                    C Jo Go
                    Crystal Studios

                    CRYSTAL STUDIOS

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                    • #55
                      loading later==ftp problems
                      C Jo Go
                      Crystal Studios

                      CRYSTAL STUDIOS

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                      • #56
                        I just finished this yesterday. I am mixing with a new pair of monitors and don't quite know how the mix sounds on other people's sets. A friend of mine says he can only hear strings on one side. But I hear them on both sides.

                        A Woman from Cuba

                        Would be grateful if anyone has the time to listen to the mix.
                        He has escaped! Youtube , ‚ÄčMurika , France

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                        • #57
                          Hi everybody,

                          I am looking for some fresh ears to help me out with theses mixes.I do all instruments and mixing. I do not record or really have any control on how the vocals that are beng recorded.I get them dry and in some cases processed.

                          The first song is called "Eyes On You" It would be under Buzz&Spirithunter.
                          This is my first mix attemp for this tune.

                          The second song is called "Elefunkey". This would be under Frozenbones Project.

                          http://www.freewebs.com/fracturecomposer/mp3s.htm

                          Some of the equiptment i use...
                          Protools 6.7
                          LA-610
                          Blue Mic
                          Gibson LesPaul
                          Vox and Fender amps

                          Any input would great!

                          Thanks

                          Bob
                          Skermetta S-100 5#
                          James Tyler studio Elite Ice Water SE 2K 8#
                          08' Gibson LP STD Faded
                          Bogner Goldfinger 45
                          PWE EH3

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                          • #58
                            hey spirithunter...
                            i downloaded 'eyes on me' and i really like the song itself, although it seems a little long for that style of song. Also, the measure or two before the chorus started seemed to suck up the energy. Besides that i loved the peaks and valleys of the verse and chorus.
                            when it came to the mixing i would say that maybe the vocals have a little too much effect on them, i could stand to hear a little more dry vocals. it also seemed like the vocals were a little bit behind in some spots?? i like the voice itself though, and i think you did a good job singing.
                            i liked most of the guitar work, but they seemed a little bit lose in some spots (distorted parts) and i thought the distortion may have been a little bit shreddy for that style of music.. but maybe that's just me.
                            One thing i think your mix might be lacking is the use of backup vocals... I know it's not required to make a good song, but (as a bad religion fan) i find it extremely powerful in great songs.
                            overall i think it's a good song. I give it a B
                            keep up the good work, i'll download the next one soon.

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                            • #59
                              Hi coldmetalcore,

                              Thanks for the input it is what i was looking for. The music is a tune i came up with about a month ago with no idea how the vocal might sound with it .At that time i was posting it on different sites looking for a singer to mess with it.

                              I know the vocals are being recorded with a Shure58 going into a sound blaster card! That explain the sound(lol) and i've been working with the timing issue with the vocals as well and it is getting a lot better than it was but it needs more work. No backup vocals track for the chorus. I wish i did though.

                              The guitar are a little loud and as time goes on i am hearing that. What can i say i am a guitar player.lol

                              Thanks again for the feedback


                              -Bob
                              Skermetta S-100 5#
                              James Tyler studio Elite Ice Water SE 2K 8#
                              08' Gibson LP STD Faded
                              Bogner Goldfinger 45
                              PWE EH3

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                              • #60
                                Check out my newest recording: www.nebbish.org. Listen to "Ben One" (should be on the left, about halfway down.)

                                I recorded it on a Zoom Mrs-1044 with a bunch of sub $100 mic's and some direct to recorder stuff. I sent the drums through an old Peavey PA board and recorded them to 2 tracks because that's all I can do with the Zoom. Obviously I'm very amateur, but please give me "strict" feedback anyway; I want to absolutely max out the quality of my recordings before I advance to better and more expensive equipment. Also, tell me what you think of my band.

                                One idiotic question to end the day: should I use a pre-amp on the drums? If so, is it best to put the pre-amp after the mixing board and before the recorder or should I use it for individual drums? The recorder has some preset "pre-amp" modules but I suspect they pale in comparison to a real tube.
                                www.nebbish.org

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