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  • #16
    Originally posted by MikeRivers View Post

    Unfortunately, non-commercial radio will also die when the underwriting and listener support (donations) falls away. Listener support seems to be working for large NPR stations with the majority of their programming being news and analysis, with minimal, if any, music. There are a couple of exceptions to this, of course, but these days their fundraising campaigns are becoming more frequent and last longer.

    The donations model seems to still be working for small community or college stations who are happy if they take in $20,000 in a fundraiser, but the main NPR N&I station in my area cries for help if they don't take in $250,000 twice a year and nearlly that a recently added third near-week of fundraising blather interrupting our listening.

    Sadly (for us listeners who make a reasonable donation once a year), statistics show that constant pounding during a fundraising campain brings in lots more money than polite reminders.
    We are fortunate here to have an NPR/University station that is possibly the last jazz station in America, their money-whine is monthly., but, their on-air talent are well known jazz musicians and reviewers. So they need to pay them folks. College stations typically have low overhead and limited reach, and they certainly do not pay the on-air talent [typically just college credits...at least when I was doing it...] much, if at all. I was offered a position as assistant station manager at my alma mater, but the money...well, let's just say it was inadequate.
    I worked in radio on and off for a number of years, including producing at KIIS-FM in LA [during the Rick Dees era, before Ryan Seacrest], and those folks were getting paid big time....but KIIS was raking in ad money faster than we could air ads.
    "We are currently experiencing some technical difficulties due to reality fluctuations. The elves are working tirelessly to patch the correct version of reality. Activities here have been temporarily disabled since the fundamentals of mathematics, physics and reason may be incomprehensible during this indeterminate period of instability. Normal service will be restored once we are certain as to what 'normal' is."

    Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally used up and worn out, shouting '...man, what a ride!'
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Geoff Grace View Post
      Radio has two advantages that keep it alive: the first is that just about every vehicle in service today has an AM/FM radio, and the second is the ability to keep locals informed about the goings on in their area: weather, traffic, concerts, etc.

      Sure, competition from the Internet, streaming services, and satellite has severely cut the market share of terrestrial radio; but until those two advantages are gone, AM/FM isn't going away.

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      Geoff

      You mean Like Internet Explorer?
      Very true, I think if people had to pay to put conventional radios in their car, it will be the end of the era for radio.

      I recently got a car with XM Radio and was offered a deal to activate the radio and I refused. I rather load all of my songs as needed to a USB or SSD and play in the car.
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      • daddymack
        daddymack commented
        Editing a comment
        My Rogue came with a free XM trial...never used it. I experienced XM in a friend's car a while back on a long ride, and was unimpressed with the programming.
        I listen to two things on the radio: News channels [with traffic, we have two good ones] and the Jazz station.

    • #18
      Originally posted by audioicon View Post
      I think if people had to pay to put conventional radios in their car, it will be the end of the era for radio.

      I recently got a car with XM Radio and was offered a deal to activate the radio and I refused. I rather load all of my songs as needed to a USB or SSD and play in the car.
      I remember when a radio and a heater were options for a car (pre air-conditioning, which was an option, too, when it was first offered). Up through the 1950s, not every car had a radio. And the car radios with tubes and vibrators were really well designed radios, too. I used to repair them.

      A friend of mine got a new car with an XM (or maybe Sirius, whoever they are now) equipped radio about 3 years ago. He never signs up for anything and didn't even know that he was supposed to pay for a subscription, but he still listens to the '50s music channel exclusively and whenever he's in the car. He hopes to hear some songs he used to hear when growing up in south Texas in the 1950s, and he's still hoping. He's odd.

      Another friend is constantly switching her car radio from a music station, the NPR all news station, and a station that has traffic reports about every five minutes. She can do that at the touch of a button (three buttons, actually) without taking her eyes or attention away from the road. I suppose it's possible to make a car radio with buttons that can be programmed to your favorite Internet streams or news, but do they? Even tabletop Internet radios that they were trying to market half a dozen or so years ago were intentionally not that simple, because they wanted you to be able to listen to everything.

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      • #19
        Our local NPR is a college run affiliate.

        They are mostly talk and the classical they play is a snooze fest. Nothing with any dynamics Bach, Mozart, Hayden, mostly music before Beethovan's 3rd symphony (which is where classical music starts with me).

        I remember suggesting some Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Prokofiev, Rimsky-Korsokov and the program manager told me my tastes are more sophisticated than their market. Sounds like a lame excuse for subscribing to a Midwest classical snooze-fest service (I forget where, I think Wisconsin).

        So they don't get my ears or my money.

        But I listen with musician's ears, not everybody does.

        So in the car I put in my digital Walkman with over 10,000 tunes on it and call it Radio Bob.
        Bob "Notes" Norton
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        • #20
          I hear you on the classical stations not having enough variety...where's the Mendellsohn, Bartok, Shostakovich, Salieri, Vivaldi? I can only take so much Bach and Beethoven sitting in traffic.
          "We are currently experiencing some technical difficulties due to reality fluctuations. The elves are working tirelessly to patch the correct version of reality. Activities here have been temporarily disabled since the fundamentals of mathematics, physics and reason may be incomprehensible during this indeterminate period of instability. Normal service will be restored once we are certain as to what 'normal' is."

          Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally used up and worn out, shouting '...man, what a ride!'
          "The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively" ~Bob Marley

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          • Notes_Norton
            Notes_Norton commented
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            I have a CD rack with perhaps 400 Classical CDs, and I've only scratched the surface of what I'd like to own. (And I've got that many jazz, and rock, and quite a bit of world music too).

            I suppose the radio stations are trying to play music that the average listener feels comfortable with. And unfortunately, they push this "Classical music to relax by) theme way to hard.

            "Music should strike fire from the heart of man and bring tears to the eyes of woman" ~ Ludwig van Beethoven

            I like passionate, exciting classical. Romantic era onward. I like the work-horse pieces, but I also like others that are just as good, just not as well know. Arensky, Suk, Borodin, De Falla, Villa Lobos, Khachaturian, and on and on and on.

        • #21
          Originally posted by Notes_Norton View Post
          he program manager told me my tastes are more sophisticated than their market. Sounds like a lame excuse for subscribing to a Midwest classical snooze-fest service (I forget where, I think Wisconsin).
          This is so funny.

          What I do not understand is: Why do they play the same thing over and over? I may have asked this a while back but I still do not get the logic.
          If you stand for nothing your life becomes meaningless. The world and everything you have today exist because people before you stood up, worked hard and died to provide us all the opportunity. Get involved!

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          • #22
            The NPR station where I live has a second channel or something. The radio in my wife's car is able to tune in. They play nothing but music, most of it local. And the display shows the artist and song so if you hear something you really like you can google the artist.
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