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    Could you tell me what your recommendations are for an inexpensive Windows 10 laptop / netbook / tablet?

    The original thread got lost with the server crash, so if you posted previously, thanks - I appreciate it!
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    "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

    - George Carlin

    "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

    - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

    "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

    - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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    Well, for me... as one who vehemently refuses to buy "new" computers for my daw farm slaves etc, I have the same mindset for laptops. So, what I recommend based on now owning two of them is to buy a $2000 HP Elitebook.... for $200....off lease.

    My 8460p i5 for example is a little tank. I have it loaded with 12gb of ram at the moment, two hard drives, ports include usb3, separate usb2, firewire, esata, and a bunch of other i/o. I also have a third drive that's always nearby to often connect via esata or firewire.

    One Elitebook is running win7 64bit Pro and my other is running (beautifully) win 10 Pro. I'm moving the win7 to win10 in the next few weeks.

    I see zero downside to getting an off-lease machine. You can buy them all over the place, they look and work like new, several upgrade paths, built like an aluminum tank (I said that already), and lots of power for daw work when you're on the go.

    I fail to see anything for $200 that can touch it. And I certainly would never pay the normal $2000 price.

    I personally don't think tablets are completely blurred into the laptop universe yet. I give it another five years or so.

    Wait a minute... what server crash? Did I miss something by not coming around the past week?
    Last edited by bookumdano4; 02-08-2016, 05:50 PM.

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    • #3
      Yes... there was a crash at the server farm and HC went down on Friday afternoon. Apparently it took out the server and the two RAID backups. Most of the posts after January 10th were lost, although we're trying to manually restore articles, Pro Reviews and the NAMM show coverage.
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      "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

      - George Carlin

      "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

      - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

      "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

      - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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      • #4
        My wife got a Surface Pro and loves it. I have to admit it's a slick package. Might not be up to whatever you plan to do with it, but will beat the pants off any tablet. I'm a bit envious; I'd like one to run VSTs on live! Sadly, no Firewire so I couldn't use my MOTU, and no idea if it has a decent line output. It's great how portable it is. She used to love her iPad but is going to donate it, no longer has any use for it.
        learjeff.net

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        • #5
          Bookumdano -- where do you find these off-lease deals? I mean, you can't beat a bargain like that. I'm a big fan of using what was hot 2 years ago and saving a bundle of money!
          learjeff.net

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          • #6
            I bought an Asus netbook for $350 a while back, and really like it. It is perfect for traveling, as it is about the size of an iPad (only thicker and heavier), runs a full version of Windows 7, has an SD slot and has ample HD space for my photos. Fantastic.

            On a completely different note since I doubt you're looking for this, the cheapest Kindle Fire is surprisingly great for only $50. It's a little slow, but it's really quite useful.
            Ken Lee on 500px / Ken's Photo Store / Ken Lee Photography Facebook Website / Blueberry Buddha Studios / Ajanta Palace Houseboat - Kashmir / Hotel Green View - Kashmir / Eleven Shadows website / Ken Lee Photography Blog / Akai 12-track tape transfers / MY NEW ALBUM! The Mercury Seven

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            • #7
              Hi Phil ! The problem with Tablets is hard drive space. I have Win 10 Home Prem 64 on a desktop and it used 85gb for the install, but 13 gb was old windows files which I could delete.
              So in my opinion a 16 gb tablet is too small, 32 gb stil too small.

              So how do they get 10 on tablets? They use Windows 10 with Bing and file compression.

              See
              http://www.thurrott.com for definitive details on 10, as he has written a bunch of books on 10.

              The best deal I know of is a refurbished Dell E6230 12.5 screen , I5 with 4gb ram and a 128 gb SSD for $279 at Microcenter.

              http://www.microcenter.com
              go to computers/laptop and sort by price.

              Windows 10 is a great operating system in my opinion.

              I would recommend quickly uninstalling Norton antivirus, as of their 12 versions of it 4 are incompatible with windows. Just use windows Defender, works well.

              I would also update the Video card driver on any Win 10 install asap.

              to compare cpu processing power, I suggest
              using the searchable cpu list at

              http://www.cpubenchmark.net

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              • #8
                Great suggestions everyone - thanks!

                Ken, is your netbook a laptop style, or a "2 in 1" style? Do you remember the model number offhand?
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                "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                - George Carlin

                "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JeffLearman View Post
                  Bookumdano -- where do you find these off-lease deals? I mean, you can't beat a bargain like that. I'm a big fan of using what was hot 2 years ago and saving a bundle of money!
                  I bought my two via local LA dealers advertising on Craigslist. Since I wanted to see what I was buying. But you can also do a google for example of "amazon, 8460p." That brings up a bunch of em.

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                  • #10
                    I own two Toshiba 8.1 hybrids and one 4 year old Toshiba laptop w/Windows 7. Poster (Happy w/12strin) is generally but not entirely correct about disk storage space and tablets.

                    My Toshiba Click 2 has a 500Gig hard drive. Nice - but it's not an SSD drive. It also has a 13.3" screen that completely detaches. It cost $499 at Best Buy. I tried installing Windows 10 on it and it was a near complete failure. The touch screen function was lost. There were many other problems. But that was the biggest. I no longer had a 2 in 1. I had a just a laptop.

                    I have a newer Toshiba Portege 8.1 hybrid. Cost $650. Smaller (appx) 11" or 12" display and only a 128 (upgradable) SSD drive. Neither have given me problems on 8.1. I won't try upgrading to W10 on the Portege.

                    Which do I use more? The Portege. Which do I like more? a 500 gig drive is nice to have on a tablet. So is the big screen. But the Portege ironically has a better keypad. It's a nice UI too. So I don't know which one I prefer. The Portege cost about $150 more than the Click 2.

                    Concerning the Surface line by M$-they are very sleek and impressive. But considering M$ recently apologized to current Surface 4 and Pro owners for a "less than ideal" transition to W10 - no thanks Windows 10. If Microsoft can't even get its software to run right on its own hardware, what kind of experience should users expect who own and rely on competing brands?
                    Last edited by Etienne Rambert; 02-09-2016, 10:42 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Etienne, do you find yourself using the 2-in-1 hybrids more as a tablet or as a laptop? Is the ability to do both with one device an advantage you appreciate having?
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                      "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                      - George Carlin

                      "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                      - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                      "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                      - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                      • Etienne Rambert
                        Etienne Rambert commented
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                        I use one as a tablet to read news or watch movies in bed.
                        My 500G / 13.3 " screen is handy for that. I'll probably use it for music too one day.

                        The other I use,as a straight biz computer even though the screen is much smaller, the keyboard is much better. The 128 SSB drive means I have to keep a SD card in it for backup all the time.

                    • #12
                      Phil:
                      "Could you tell me what your recommendations are for an inexpensive Windows 10 laptop / netbook / tablet?

                      The original thread got lost with the server crash, so if you posted previously, thanks - I appreciate it!
                      1. First and foremost, you should buy W10 installed at the factory. Don't go the upgrade route.

                      2. Second of all, a laptop w/W10 installed would be your safest bet. A tablet or hybrid with it factory installed would probably be a safe bet. But I am not so sure. There have been many problems, even w/M$ own Surface Pro (Which BTW, is not inexpensive). My most expensive hybrid is a Toshiba Portege. It costs half what a Surface costs. And it finished at the top of either ZD net or CNet's quality tests.

                      But the Surface Pro is a nice, professional piece of gear. Very well-made and PRICEY.

                      My own experience informs me W10 is not ready for tablets or hybrids yet. I'm not the only one who thinks so.

                      http://uk.businessinsider.com/micros...owners-2015-12

                      http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/...tablet-2-in-1/

                      Surface 3 total failure on Wndows 10. http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinio...-3-tablet-mode

                      My own experience was bad. I upgraded my Click 2 and lost all touch screen functions. My 2 in 1 reverted to a laptop. Windows 10 is probably a good Mouse and mouse pad system. I won't use it on tablets until they get these bugs out. I switched back to 8.1.

                      BTW, we have two iPads in the house, an Air 2 64G and an old iPad 2 64G. I don't use either of them except for Auria recording. I use the Windows tablets all the time. I like a tablet you can do serious work on.
                      My main biz computer is a Win 7 w/a 750 Gig hard drive.

                      Not upgrading any of them.
                      Last edited by Etienne Rambert; 03-06-2016, 12:53 PM.
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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Etienne Rambert View Post
                        Phil:

                        My own experience informs me W10 is not ready for tablets or hybrids yet. I'm not the only one who thinks so.

                        http://uk.businessinsider.com/micros...owners-2015-12

                        http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/...tablet-2-in-1/

                        Surface 3 total failure on Wndows 10. http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinio...-3-tablet-mode

                        My own experience was bad. I upgraded my Click 2 and lost all touch screen functions. My 2 in 1 reverted to a laptop. Windows 10 is probably a good Mouse and mouse pad system. I won't use it on tablets until they get these bugs out. I switched back to 8.1.

                        Thanks for taking the time to reply.

                        What are the biggest areas of concern - the upgrading issues / lack of touchscreen functionality, or are there other issues too?

                        How does Windows 10 do if you use a mouse instead of a touch screen? Did you try it that way?

                        I think part of the issue would be the size of the things you'd want / need to click on. I imagine trying to click on something small like the File menu in the menu bar would be challenging without a mouse. I think my stubby fingers would be accidentally hitting whatever is on the menu bar next to it as often as not...

                        **********

                        "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."

                        - George Carlin

                        "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."

                        - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                        "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."

                        - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post


                          Thanks for taking the time to reply.

                          What are the biggest areas of concern - the upgrading issues / lack of touchscreen functionality, or are there other issues too?

                          How does Windows 10 do if you use a mouse instead of a touch screen? Did you try it that way?

                          I think part of the issue would be the size of the things you'd want / need to click on. I imagine trying to click on something small like the File menu in the menu bar would be challenging without a mouse. I think my stubby fingers would be accidentally hitting whatever is on the menu bar next to it as often as not...
                          I was forced to use it with a mouse. W10 was a good mouse system.Lousy touch screen system in my experience. But Windows 7 was a good mouse/pad system too. Concerning the size of fonts and icons, you can change them in both 8.1 and 10, maybe 7 too.

                          8.1 was supposedly a failure. But I think it's a good touch-screen based system, definitely better than Win 10. The problem might have been not enough Windows users had touch screens.

                          The size issue is also addressed in my Portege w/2 styluses, a large one and a small one. The small one is inside the screen. The large one is separate. Also, dig through some menus and you can change font/icon side.

                          If you buy any new Windows device, you get W10. If you plan on using a mouse, buy any Windows 10 device you like. But if you intend to rely on a touch screen. Don't expect much.

                          I think a new device/factory installed W10 device, would be the way to go. Not everyone has had tablet problems w/upgrading to 10. But I have and so have a lot of others. The iPad to me is still the benchmark tablet to me. But I like Windows tablets. You can get serious office work done on them.
                          Last edited by Etienne Rambert; 03-07-2016, 04:51 PM.
                          He has escaped! Youtube , ​Murika , France

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
                            Great suggestions everyone - thanks!

                            Ken, is your netbook a laptop style, or a "2 in 1" style? Do you remember the model number offhand?
                            Phil, it is basically a really tiny laptop and does not function as a tablet. It runs a full version of Windows 7 (remember, I bought this almost three years ago), and has ample storage, something that tablets often don't have.

                            Netbooks are going the way of the dodo bird. But if you want a functional mini-laptop, they work great. Mine has an SD card slot, 320 G HD, a full version of Windows 7, and is barely more than 10". It's fantastic for traveling and works great. This is the link for the exact model I have, but it is discontinued.

                            http://www.adorama.com/AS1011CXBK.html?discontinued=t
                            Asus Eee PC 1011CX-MU27 10.1" LED Netbook, Dual Core Intel Atom N2600 1.6 GHz, 2GB RAM, 320GB HDD, Intel UMA Graphics, Windows 7 Home Premium

                            There's a bunch of these available on amazon.com, though.

                            http://www.amazon.com/Seashell-1005P...k+eee+2+GB+RAM
                            Ken Lee on 500px / Ken's Photo Store / Ken Lee Photography Facebook Website / Blueberry Buddha Studios / Ajanta Palace Houseboat - Kashmir / Hotel Green View - Kashmir / Eleven Shadows website / Ken Lee Photography Blog / Akai 12-track tape transfers / MY NEW ALBUM! The Mercury Seven

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