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    It is called NOTICE-AND-NOTICE. Check it out at the link below.

    http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2014/12/n...ps-set-launch/
    Last edited by techristian; 01-05-2015, 10:58 AM.
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    Without getting political, The analogy could be you have a highway being used to transport illegal goods by criminals. The owner of the road and the cops know it but they only have to tell the lawbreaker they are a criminal and then both the cops and road owner's hands are clean. They have no obligation to stop the law breaking.

    Meantime, the guy who gets the goods stolen from him, doesn't get any warning he's been ripped off, and if he wants to stop the criminals, he has to foot the bill 100% on his own. He cant even stop them from using the road that would otherwise make their criminal activity impossible and non profitable.

    Hum. Yea I suppose that's your typical pacifist legislature you'll find being passed up there. No ones got the balls to actually attempt to prevent crime, probably because everyone is involved in it. Everyone else including the criminals can continue with business as usual and feel good about doing it. How bass ackwards is that. Smells like your IP's are screwing the little guys again.

    The fact is with technology to make our lives easier, comes the responsibility to guard against that same technology being used just as easily to commit crimes. Is the crime less serious just because it didn't take allot of effort to succeed? How hard does a crime have to be before you punish the guilty? Sounds like we have a bunch of IP providers making money hand over fist with little or no overhead to pay out who can afford to buy politicians to pass crap legislation like this.

    In this case the criminals get stronger and the victims get weaker and it all comes from corrupted morals. No more no less.
    Last edited by WRGKMC; 01-05-2015, 04:24 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by WRGKMC View Post

      Without getting political...

      it all comes from corrupted morals. No more no less.

      Who gets to decide what is moral and what is corrupt?

      I know this is going to stir the pot but I think the whole concept of intellectual property needs to be reconsidered.

      It all started for me when I realized that music is a gift - powerful enough to change history and heal the sick - but it is not our gift to have, it is our gift to share.

      When we were younger our parents tried to teach us that sharing is good. Once Napster came along and highlighted some of the benefits of the new technologies, the big money record machine made a huge effort to convince us that sharing is bad.


      Last edited by onelife; 01-05-2015, 06:06 PM.
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      • #4
        Today its about stealing others ideas off the net. It wont be long before technology used in medical which tie directly into the brain will be able to harvest thoughts directly from peoples brains. There will always be those who prefer a socialistic collective mentality over the individual. You see in in Hollywood only as science fiction at the moment, but those science fiction movies like the Matrix and Star Trek are much closer to reality then most realize. You may think something like the Borg who assimilate weak societies couldn't possibly exist but aren't people being naïve when they ignore the signs.

        Much of our personal data is already being assimilated and its being used as a method of controlling the populace with one aim. To make themselves rich. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I am a truth seeker and I see many individuals don't even know they are being controlled nor realize their rights as human beings are being violated. If they do they feel powerless and choose to ignore it. I have no problem with people living in a socialist country if they choose. Just make sure you respect my right to believe the individual thoughts of a man are more important then the all the flocks of weak minded individuals who prefer to follow the path of least resistance.

        If anything, history has shown us over an over what can happens in countries that believe the collective trumps the individual. Nazi Germany, Rome, Egypt all fell for the same reasons. People are always going to look for substitute parents to guide them so they are relieved of the responsibilities of adulthood. There will always be those who like being that parent with power over others. When that persons greed for power goes unchecked they will twist that collective into thinking immorality is good so long as they benefit from it. Any individual who recognizes that collective is being used improperly will be chastised into submission or be destroyed.

        There's nothing in that pattern that has changed in thousands of years man has been around. Man is no wiser today when it comes to the truths in life then he was thousands of years ago. We are more technically advanced for sure. We record our knowledge and discoveries and pass them down to others. You can learn what took a man an entire lifetime to discover by reading his book. But that doesn't make people wiser or better at running their own lives. In most ways man makes the same mistakes over and over and doesn't realize it until he reflects on his own stupidity. If he cant face a little hardship learning the eternal truths in life first hand, he is likely doomed to repeat the exact things his fore fathers attempted to protect him from, mainly the wolves in sheep's clothing who advance themselves by taking advantage of the sheep's stupidity when they are being taken to the slaughter house.
        Last edited by WRGKMC; 01-06-2015, 01:00 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by WRGKMC View Post
          Today its about stealing others ideas off the net...

          Much of our personal data is already being assimilated and its being used as a method of controlling the populace with one aim. To make themselves rich.
          You say that as if you believe it is a bad thing. Let's take money out of the equation.

          I have no problem with people living in a socialist country if they choose.
          Isn't Socialism based on the needs of society (people) rather than holding everything for ransom in the name of profit?

          Just make sure you respect my right to believe the individual thoughts of a man are more important then the all the flocks of weak minded individuals who prefer to follow the path of least resistance.
          I certainly respect your right to believe but does that mean you are more important than me simply because your brain is wired differently than mine?

          If anything, history has shown us over an over what can happens in countries that believe the collective over the individual. Nazi Germany, Rome, Egypt all fell for the same reasons.
          Do you really think the US is not going to fall the same way other powerful warring countries have throughout human history?

          There's nothing in that pattern that has changed in thousands of years. Man is no wiser today when it comes to the truths in life then he was thousands of years ago...

          If he cant face a little hardship learning the eternal truths in life first hand he is likely doomed to repeat the exact things his fore fathers attempted to protect him from, mainly the wolves who advance themselves by taking advantage of the sheep's stupidity and don't even realize they are being taken to the slaughter house.
          There were some good philosopher/teachers thousands of years ago. Jesus and The Buddha come to mind. They taught loving kindness, generosity and forgiveness - which are what I would consider to be the eternal truths.

          Money and intellectual property are just things we made up that promote selfishness and greed. We should be embracing the new information sharing technology rather than fearing it to the point where we feel the need to sabotage its functionality.
          As a human being, you come with the whole range of inner possibilities
          from the deepest hell to the highest states.

          It is up to you which one you choose to explore
          .

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          • #6
            Originally posted by onelife View Post
            Isn't Socialism based on the needs of society (people) rather than holding everything for ransom in the name of profit?
            You're injecting your own interpretation of what you think the word means. Look up the definition. 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

            2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

            3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

            Originally posted by onelife View Post
            I certainly respect your right to believe but does that mean you are more important than me simply because your brain is wired differently than mine?
            All people focus on themselves before they can focus on helping others.

            Originally posted by onelife View Post
            Do you really think the US is not going to fall the same way other powerful warring countries have throughout human history?
            Fail? Only if the world economy fails. There is too much integration finance and markets now. Most countries are interdependent now to have a country just fail. Change, yes. As generations change so does the countries because countries are made of people not flags.

            Originally posted by onelife View Post
            There were some good philosopher/teachers thousands of years ago. Jesus and The Buddha come to mind. They taught loving kindness, generosity and forgiveness - which are what I would consider to be the eternal truths.
            I've read all the major books and they all contain the same truths if you have the ability to decipher them. Dogma is not the source of truth, its a method that trains you to find it. Truth exists whether you learn to find it or not.

            Originally posted by onelife View Post
            Money and intellectual property are just things we made up that promote selfishness and greed. We should be embracing the new information sharing technology rather than fearing it to the point where we feel the need to sabotage its functionality.
            No, Its one many trading his time and work for someone else's time and work in a method of fair trade. If I make tires and you want one, you have to have offer me something in trade to get it. That may be something physical you make, or it may be something nebulous like a piece of music or a book. I choose to trade you my tire for that book and I'm satisfied with that trade.

            I may not have the ability or time to write that music or book and I consider the hard work and time you invested as a fair trade for something you cant do well like making tires. The world is about trading goods you cant make yourself for goods you can make well. Money and banks are simply an intermediate method used to make this exchange easier for the masses. Noone has the right to force a man to trade what he creates without his permission and without compensation and its exactly why I'll continue to defend the peoples rights to decide if they want to trade or not.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by WRGKMC View Post
              ...

              All people focus on themselves before they can focus on helping others...
              That is not true and it does not answer my question.

              Fail? Only if the world economy fails. There is too much integration finance and markets now. Most countries are interdependent now to have a country just fail. Change, yes. As generations change so does the countries because countries are made of people not flags.
              Indeed. It is a shame that we have allowed ourselves to be put in that position. When the US fails (as all others have throughout human history) it will have a huge impact on the rest of the world and cause immeasurable suffering.

              The world is about trading goods you cant make yourself for goods you can make well.
              That's certainly one aspect of what goes on in the world but there is a lot more to it than just that. What about the people who choose a different way of life? Are they any less deserving of their life simply because they were not born with an aptitude for economics or choose a life of giving rather than taking?

              Noone has the right to force a man to trade what he creates without his permission and without compensation and its exactly why I'll continue to defend the peoples rights to decide if they want to trade or not.
              I agree, however, I do think it is time to re-evaluate our priorities and realize that we are all in the same boat (so to speak) while we live in this material world and find a way to embrace the technology that allows us to share ideas. Perhaps the permission will come then and people will discover that compensation does not have to be limited to personal financial gain which leads to the restriction and sometimes even the corruption of ideas.
              As a human being, you come with the whole range of inner possibilities
              from the deepest hell to the highest states.

              It is up to you which one you choose to explore
              .

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              • #8
                Originally posted by onelife View Post
                That's certainly one aspect of what goes on in the world but there is a lot more to it than just that. What about the people who choose a different way of life? Are they any less deserving of their life simply because they were not born with an aptitude for economics or choose a life of giving rather than taking?~~
                If people choose a way of life and neglect to choose one that fails to support them and or their family, then I'd have to say that person gets what they deserve. Hopefully they will wake up and realize they either have to provide for themselves and family if they have one of they starve. I'm surely not going to expect others to subsidize my stupidity and any more then I plan on subsidizing theirs.

                Truly, working a 40 hour week still leaves you with 128 hours to enjoy life. If you figure a person sleeps 8 hours a night, that leaves them 112 hours to do and believe whatever they want while still providing adequate support for themselves and others. If there is a lack of work in their area, that's not much of an excuse because you do have the ability to move where the work is. Its an individuals decision to stay where their is no work to support themselves. If they choose to do that, its not my responsibility to support their dumb decisions in life.


                Originally posted by onelife View Post
                I agree, however, I do think it is time to re-evaluate our priorities and realize that we are all in the same boat (so to speak) while we live in this material world and find a way to embrace the technology that allows us to share ideas. Perhaps the permission will come then and people will discover that compensation does not have to be limited to personal financial gain which leads to the restriction and sometimes even the corruption of ideas.
                Having been a musician for 50 years I fully understand the concept of sharing. At this point I believe I've given back what I've borrowed from others many times over and will continue to do so. The difference is however, I choose to do this myself. It is not taken from me without my consent. I have had both ideas and material items stolen from me and it does wound a persons soul and if they fail to heal that wound they take a chance on becoming one who wounds others in the same way adopting the dog eat dog mentality.

                That by no means requires someone to be stupid. If anything you should be wise enough to recognize the wolves and deny them what they desire and instead share with those deserve what you have to offer.

                I'm not saying you shouldn't attempt to convert the wolves into something less volatile, but you don't waste everything you have on them if you see no hope of it changing their behavior. Many do dedicate their lives to doing just that and I respect those attempts.

                I'm just not very good at it other then when It comes to making music. If anything I tend to be overly charitable and wind up hurting myself in the process. I'm perfectly comfortable doing what I can, when I think its appropriate with the people I contact with on a daily basis. Not for strangers I have never met nor will ever meet. There are too many individuals willing to hold their hands out that have no need for the charity and take from those who truly need the help so I limit my charity to those who can be helped one on one and many times those people need something more then a hand out. They need guidance and a chance to redeem themselves in the eyes of others.

                That giving begins at home and if you have enough left over you help those you know.

                Again, I do that willingly as most people do who feel its better to do good then evil to others. I honestly don't come into contact with too many people who return evil for good. But I do know there are plenty of people who are willing to take what doesn't belong to them for self gain. Chances are if they only asked it would be given to them, but for some reason they prefer to live with the guilt of a thief then the shame of a beggar.

                Even if the laws did change like they did in this stupid legislation, its not going to change my perception of the people who steal nor could I trust them to not repeat that behavior.

                They see no difference between physical things and ideals when they steal and few ever feel any kind of remorse until they are reminded of what they have done. At least if they stole something physical, it may be because they are in such dire need of it they had no other choice. Stealing ideas is the worst because its 100% self centered. Its many times worse then something physical because physical things can be replaced. Ideas are one of a kind.

                The worst part is they feel no remorse for what they stole and are the major contributors to allowing crime to occur. These people delude themselves into thinking they own the idea they stole, where in reality they are have enslaved themselves to those they stole from.

                Don't know if you've ever dealt with it before, but have you ever had a close friend of yours steal from you then watch how they distance themselves from you afterwards? If they are completely soulless, they may still hang with you but inside you know the relationship between you and that person has been permanently damages. Even if they did confess and you forgave them, its human nature to remember those events and they have a lifelong effect on your soul. You can go ahead and think it doesn't exist, or you can bury it below all kinds of weights and measures, but it will surface over and over.

                I still remember back when I was maybe 3 years old and stole a piece of candy walking through the grocery store. I was punished for it but that memory will never go away so I can never consider my self to be guiltless. My folks taught me, if you're going to steal something make sure its really big, because the penalties are the same for both. I was never tempted to go big so I provide for myself.

                No law that say's its OK for a kid under 5 is going to make that guilt completely go away. I'm an adult. I know what's wrong and right and I surely don't need some crap legislation to tell me when I'm wrong. After all, politicians are usually on the end of the line when it comes to being anywhere near godliness. Just open any newspaper any day of the week and you'll find one being caught in some illegal activity and those are only the ones stupid enough to get caught.
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