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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9LrLUyIW3c

    It's the full documentary, not just a trailer.

    Well worth seeing...interested to see what y'all think of it. I always thought Ginger Baker was exceptionally innovative in his approach to drumming. Although this film has the rep of tearing Baker apart, I don't see it that way at all. Baker is one tough cookie...and a very interesting person. I'm sure he's difficult to deal with, but most people on his level are.
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    Originally posted by Anderton View Post
    I always thought Ginger Baker was exceptionally innovative in his approach to drumming.
    I haven't watched the entire documentary yet - I started watching it on Netflix.

    I was a big Cream fan in the day but I thought he overplayed a lot in comparison to some of the pocket drummers such as Ian Paice. When Cream did the reunion thing about ten years ago I developed a whole new appreciation and respect for his unique style
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      Cream and the Jimi Hendrix Experience, were the Founding Fathers of Virtuoso Musicianship in Hard Rock / Heavy Metal, before Black Sabbath tied all the lose ends together.
      I.M.H.O. , Ginger Baker, Keith Moon and Mitch Mitchell, were the kings of Drums in the 1960's !!!!

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  • #3
    Looks like someone pulled the plug on that film on youtube. I found this bizarre interview of Ginger Baker with Chad Smith.
    Ginger looks to me like he's cheating the grave.

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    • #4
      I saw this a while ago and thought it was good, not feeling that it was a hatchet job. If you want to make Ginger Baker look insane or bad, you really don't have to try very hard.

      Some of you know that I recorded his son, Kofi Baker, here at my studio a while back, and while he hardly talked smack about his father, you could also tell that the guy was a real character and didn't really get a long with a lot of people.

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      • #5
        Originally posted by davd_indigo View Post
        Looks like someone pulled the plug on that film on youtube. I found this bizarre interview of Ginger Baker with Chad Smith.
        Ginger looks to me like he's cheating the grave.

        http://youtu.be/nKBLiw8sANE
        It's still there, try the link again.
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        • #6
          No disrespect intended but after 10 minutes I couldn't stand him...just because this guy can bang some sticks on a can doesn't make him worthy of being canonized... The music is good but he is not someone I would ever want to hang with.

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          • #7
            I wouldn't either, but he's interesting, so I kept watching it.
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            • #8
              Just out of curiosity, did Kofi Baker's playing sound like he was influenced by his dad?

              BTW, I love the wrap on his kit - looks cool!
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              • #9
                Just remember that all documentaries are interpretations. It's the difference between:

                Have you seen the documentary on Ginger Baker? What an a-hole!
                and
                Have you seen the documentary on some guy's take on Ginger Baker? I wonder if Baker is really such an a-hole. Maybe the documentarian dude is the a-hole, I'm sure I'm not qualified to pronounce either way knowing almost nothing about all this except what this one film says.

                This general principle actually applies to everything else in life, but we'll start with something small.

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                • #10
                  Just watched it in two sittings

                  It was fascinating

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by UstadKhanAli View Post
                    I wouldn't either, but he's interesting, so I kept watching it.
                    Wow, your art is awesome...great work!

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                    • #12

                      Originally posted by nat whilk II View Post
                      Just remember that all documentaries are interpretations. It's the difference between:

                      Have you seen the documentary on Ginger Baker? What an a-hole!
                      and
                      Have you seen the documentary on some guy's take on Ginger Baker? I wonder if Baker is really such an a-hole. Maybe the documentarian dude is the a-hole, I'm sure I'm not qualified to pronounce either way knowing almost nothing about all this except what this one film says.



                      If there's other stuff out there that presents him in a different light, I'll be happy to take a look at it and try to reach a balanced conclusion. But pretty much everything I've ever heard or seen about the guy to this point indicates he's a total a--hole.

                      Not that's there anything wrong with that, really. If he's comfortable in his own skin, then more power to him, I suppose.
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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
                        Just out of curiosity, did Kofi Baker's playing sound like he was influenced by his dad?

                        BTW, I love the wrap on his kit - looks cool!
                        I don't think so. It's more fusion-based, so I would never make the connection. That said, I understand that he plays in some sort of a Cream cover band, so presumably, he has a darned good understanding of his father's approach to the drums.
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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by nat whilk II View Post
                          Just remember that all documentaries are interpretations. It's the difference between:

                          Have you seen the documentary on Ginger Baker? What an a-hole!
                          and
                          Have you seen the documentary on some guy's take on Ginger Baker? I wonder if Baker is really such an a-hole. Maybe the documentarian dude is the a-hole, I'm sure I'm not qualified to pronounce either way knowing almost nothing about all this except what this one film says.

                          This general principle actually applies to everything else in life, but we'll start with something small.

                          nat whilk ii

                          The documentary is an interpretation. It often will take a point of view, although some attempt to be neutral.

                          And as viewers, we are interpreting what has been interpreted. I can think that it wasn't a hatchet job while someone else will think, "Wow, those filmmakers really made him look bad...they gave him a royal pasting."

                          So I don't judge the guy really harshly regardless, but I've read a few articles, seen the documentary, and talked to Kofi a bit about his father.

                          I also want to say that many people, seemingly especially artists, are complex, and can come off as sweethearts, ****************************s, generous, stingy, and much more, all wrapped up in one little meat puppet.

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by tbry View Post

                            Wow, your art is awesome...great work!

                            Oh wow, thank you, that's very kind of you!!!
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