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  • #16
    I guess that you can say things are picking up when Chinese manufacturers start to copy them, but not good for a friend of mine with a patent. 3 new products at NAMM copied his product, with no improvement whatsoever. I can't say any more than that, because he is going into litigation with at least one of those companies.

    I hope he gets this resolved.

    Dan
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    • #17
      Originally posted by techristian View Post
      I guess that you can say things are picking up when Chinese manufacturers start to copy them, but not good for a friend of mine with a patent. 3 new products at NAMM copied his product, with no improvement whatsoever. I can't say any more than that, because he is going into litigation with at least one of those companies.

      I hope he gets this resolved.

      Dan
      Keep us informed on his progress. I'd like to know if anyone wins international cases like that. I see the problem being is you are suing a county, not a manufacturer. The government owns all/most of the companies in a Communist country so you aren't suing an individual or company that follows international laws. The only fix for the problem of pirates if for the Chinese government to prevent their people from pirating designs and equipment. From what I see there is no indication that's ever going to happen and in fact they encourage their companies to rip others off.

      Bigger companies that do business can afford to pay them not to pirate their stuff so you don't see allot of stuff like Canon, cameras or HP computers being counterfeited, at least not yet. That can change very quickly however. That country only has to borrow money form them or have their officials bribed and they wind up fighting with their own gear built to the same specs from the same factories they were previously using.

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      • #18
        Oh and if some wonder why they can only create replicas, and never have anything creative or original its because communism outlaws free thought free speech, and individual expressionism that leads to creative ideas. Creativity is essentially illegal there and that's why those countries will remain what they are.

        They not only think all creative ideas belong to their collective, they see no reason to grant unique rights for individuals who have those ideas. They have no reason to pay for the use of individual's patents. They see patents as self indulgent and evil and see no reason why a single mans rights to his own ideas belong to him.

        Anything they do is done as a collective, and anyone who is creative knows its much more difficult developing creative ideas within a group then it is to do it solo. Their leaders know why their people cant be creative, but they prefer to have the power of control vs power of enlightenment as their legacy.

        All you have to do is look at history and where all the inventions come from to see this truth. The countries and civilizations that were the most creative and inventive encouraged individuality and free thought. The Countries that suppressed this could only steal what they got from others.
        Last edited by WRGKMC; 07-24-2014, 10:39 AM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by WRGKMC View Post
          I see the problem being is you are suing a county, not a manufacturer. The government owns all/most of the companies in a Communist country so you aren't suing an individual or company that follows international laws.
          I suppose that could also be an advantage in this case because 3 Chinese companies copied this product. Now rather than dealing with each of the 3 just go after the government ?? You need deep pockets for this type of thing.

          Dan
          Last edited by techristian; 07-24-2014, 11:22 AM.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by techristian View Post

            I suppose that could also be an advantage in this case because 3 Chinese companies copied this product. Now rather than dealing with each of the 3 just go after the government ?? You need deep pockets for this type of thing. Dan
            Very deep pockets. The companies that do have gear made in china and aren't having counterfeits appear all over the place have paid for that protection in one way or another. I'm not sure if your buddy originally had his gear manufacturer there, but unless he subcontracts a factory there he has no pull on that side of the fence in his favor.

            I doubt he will get any place with his suit. Is the Chinese government going to make its own factories pay out for one guy? If it was a multinational company that owned factories there, maybe. A single citizen, keep wishing. Not only is the international laws so weak now, there's no way to enforce them. Our country owes them too much money to make any kinds of demands or enforce any kind of tariffs. one man on his own, cant do jack.

            He can have every running going in his favor but no one over there can force them to pay him. Best he can hope for a whole lot of publicity. But these companies can easily close their doors and open up under a new name and produce the same products. There are dozens of companies making fake Gibsons for example. They've gotten so good at it there are less identifiers all the time. Can Gibson with their financial muscle stop them? They cant any more then your buddy can.


            If I were to design a product and have it made here in the US, I'd remove all the part numbers of the chips and components and seal all the parts in epoxy. I'd also load the circuits with fake parts that would cause others to smoke the circuit if they tried to copy it. Trying to pirate the designs would be a whole lot more difficult. It adds to the cost, but its better then loosing your shirt.

            Even that may not work because most of the parts are made in China and they could trace what's been sold to you to make the gear.
            Last edited by WRGKMC; 07-24-2014, 01:22 PM.

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