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Final Mix - thanks, SSS Production Squad! - "Say Goodbye"


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And here's the final mix. This replaces the original draft video I posted.

 

 

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As you'll hear, I took your advice to heart...the SSS Production Squad strikes again!

 

BTW ...does anyone else think it's time for another Lee Knight song? I thought the last one was quite cool.

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That is great! Great lyrics, sung with conviction, hot freakin guitar going on in the background. It's a hit!

There is a couple of spots where the snare sounds kind of weak for the rest of the tune...But that's not a crippler..Kudos!

 

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I think you speak for a goodly amount of your countrymen, Craig, especially some of my American Facebook friends...

 

I like the way the song begins fairly innocuously and then bludgeons one to death in the chorus. As AlamoJoe says, there's conviction in your voice and, if I may say so, a certain amount of bile. Phew! *Note to self - NEVER upset Craig Anderton* ;)

 

A great song. I'll let others make suggestions as to the mix etc.

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Very good one, Craig, no question. Makes a difference when it's from the heart like this.

 

The chorus is where it really rocks - I'm guessing that will be the consensus. The only thing I'd suggest for the chorus would be this:

 

at 2:57 on the line "they live on bribes..etc" you add a vocal harmony line above the main vox that is just perfect. That's the only chorus line I think where you add that upper harmony - I suggest you add it in the same spot during the first chorus go-round - maybe even in more places in that, too. It just sounds way too good to use only once.

 

The verse groove is nicely Rolling-Stone-ish. The snare, however, is a really clean pop, very little rattle. I'd like to hear it roughed up a bit, a la Street Fightin' Man (which is the great archetype for this particular tune of yours, no?) In vaguer terms, more Stones in that verse groove, however accomplished.

 

This tune, you show us what your vocals can do, for sure. One giant thumbs-up on that count.

 

nat whilk ii

 

 

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at 2:57 on the line "they live on bribes..etc" you add a vocal harmony line above the main vox that is just perfect. That's the only chorus line I think where you add that upper harmony - I suggest you add it in the same spot during the first chorus go-round - maybe even in more places in that, too. It just sounds way too good to use only once.

 

Hmmm...thought I used it on all the lines in the second chorus, they may be mixed down too far. I'll check when I get back to the studio.

 

The verse groove is nicely Rolling-Stone-ish. The snare, however, is a really clean pop, very little rattle. I'd like to hear it roughed up a bit, a la Street Fightin' Man (which is the great archetype for this particular tune of yours, no?) In vaguer terms, more Stones in that verse groove, however accomplished.

 

Two people have mentioned the snare, so I'll check that as well. However, as Mark noted "I like the way the song begins fairly innocuously and then bludgeons one to death in the chorus." I didn't want the verse to be too rough so it could kind of draw people in and set them up for the chorus. Maybe a bigger issue is that it's a hip-hop snare in a rock song. I'll see if I have a snare that would be suitable for replacement and see what it sounds like.

 

Tech tidbit: The verses seemed to drag when I did the mix, so I used a Sonar varispeed trick that kicked the tempo and pitch up a little under 2%. But I didn't make that change to the choruses. If you listen to the song, I think it's pretty much impossible to tell that the choruses are at a slower tempo and lower pitch...but that might add to the "gravitas" of the chorus and the innocuous feel of the verses.

 

Thanks for the comments!!

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Great lyric!!! Only suggestion I have is the acoustics need more balls. I like the eq though perhaps a tad thin, I believe the answer is a tape bump and mild saturation effect. Massey TapeHead or the like. You don't need whispy there, you need some acoustic aggression! And... I'd love to hear your vocal duplicated, saturated, and mixed dry up the middle to fill that whole. I love the song!

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Great tune Craig.

 

I agree with several other posters

 

I think the acoustic guitar is a bit too thin sounding. Also the heavy lead guitars in the background could be louder and the snare could have more rattle.

The main thing I would change though is to ditch the electronic hand clap sound. I hear this song as a power pop rock song and for me the hand claps are cheesy sounding.

 

But overall I like it a lot. Especially the echoing stuff at 1:35 and that noisy stuff at about 3:00 and all the little sound effect stuff throughout is pretty tasty.

You're a really good rock lead guitar player Craig and I'd like to hear more lead guitar in your songs.

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Okay, I think I have enough here to get started...acoustic guitar will be the first priority as that's been mentioned the most. The claps are part of a loop, and will be hard to extract...I'll try layering a fat snare on top to see if that does the job. As to the snare, there are three different snares so I'm not sure which one is being referenced (or all). I don't want to change the one behind the choruses, but I think people are probably referencing the one in the hip-hop loop that has the claps. There's also the one with the really dry, hard "kkrack!" but I'm kinda partial to that one.

 

"I'd love to hear your vocal duplicated, saturated, and mixed dry up the middle to fill that hole" is probably not going to happen, but I'll give it a try. It was hard enough to do the first round!! Doing another set of vocals is going to be tough but I think I hear what you're hearing, and can see how that would add.

 

Bringing up the leads: Yes, another dB or two would add some intensity. These are all good suggestions, now it just remains to be seen if I can pull them off so that they make the song better. Thanks everybody!!!

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You're a really good rock lead guitar player Craig and I'd like to hear more lead guitar in your songs.

 

Thanks, but my lead playing sounds most impressive in small doses smiley-happy. The solos in "Little Pieces" and "When the Grid Goes Down" on my channel are about as long as I'll go. I'd much rather have people ask for more than ask "Will you EVER shut up?!"

 

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"I'd love to hear your vocal duplicated, saturated, and mixed dry up the middle to fill that hole" is probably not going to happen, but I'll give it a try. It was hard enough to do the first round!! Doing another set of vocals is going to be tough but I think I hear what you're hearing, and can see how that would add.!
I was thinking taking your existing track naked and dry and saturating that then mixing IT back in to fill the hole... A duplicate.
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I was thinking taking your existing track naked and dry and saturating that then mixing IT back in to fill the hole... A duplicate.

 

I ended up adding a tape saturation effect to the existing dry voice and it actually sounds pretty good, yet maintains the directness of not being layered. Also tried your suggestion re: tape saturation/low end bump on the acoustics, which definitely works.

 

As to the hip-hop drum loop, I re-created it using a fat snare and real hi-hat/kick instead of synth and deleted the loop. Makes a big difference. Also bumped up the lead a bit...will probably finish a new mix over the weekend.

 

Once again...the SSS Production Squad comes through!!

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Thanks, but my lead playing sounds most impressive in small doses smiley-happy. The solos in "Little Pieces" and "When the Grid Goes Down" on my channel are about as long as I'll go. I'd much rather have people ask for more than ask "Will you EVER shut up?!"

 

Ah the whole "Less is more" thing...I know from whence you come from.

I'll never forget the Late and Great Frank Zappa's quote about seeing Buddy Guy live.."He played a solo that was just one note, but I had the feeling that he really meant it."

Then again I may be just remembering it that way.

 

 

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The final mix is freakin' AWESOME!!! This is a great song Craig...Great playing, production, lyrics, the whole package. And you got rid of the cheesy snare that was in there! The guitar is Nasty cool!

 

Well, I pay attention to what you guys say, and the music is all the better for it.

 

Gonna toss you a curve on the next one...

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