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  • #16
    Originally posted by Joey Ace
    I compare Apples to BMWs.

    They both a <4% market share but the quality is the best.

    I currently use a two year Powerbook G4 as my main computer.

    Great machines!


    Yeah, that's a great comparisson of two overrated pieces of crap.

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    • #17
      Thax for the complements




      Originally posted by Duck King


      Yeah, that's a great comparisson of two overrated pieces of crap.





      (he couldn't work a mac and needs pity)

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Anderton
        Okay, as I consigned my IIci to the scrap heap, I realized that Apple's success is due to clever "hardware management." Apple makes nice margins on hardware; compare generic PC vs. Apple and you see what's happening. So Apple needs you to turn over your computers as much as possible for them to stay profitable, do R&D, come up with bold strokes like the iPod, etc.

        But to be fair, they hold up their end of the bargain. When you get a new Mac, first of all, it looks bitchin'. Apple's industrial design is about as good as it gets; their computers are works of art IMHO. And you get a state of the art performance boost (assuming any relevant software has been updated to accommodate new hardware) because of hardware improvements.

        Microsoft makes their bucks on the OS, so it's in their interest to have people get a new OS whenever Windows mutates into something new. And like Apple, they work hard to come up with the incentives so you go "Yeah, that's worth the bucks."

        But we're also talking pure, unfiltered planned obsolescence, aren't we? Even if I wanted to use my IIci, no web browser that would run on it would pass a web site's browser check.

        We all know progress has a price, but I think Apple has based their model around not just progress, but obsolescence. Even that brand new spanking Dual G5 is pretty much toast once the Intel-based models appear. In return, you get the latest and greatest. More and more, Apple is looking like sports cars, and Microsoft, like sedans -- albeit with leather seats and XM radio


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        • #19
          Originally posted by sporter


          Welcome to 1987!


          It was a good year!

          Ok, fashion wise it wasn't.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by el cochino


            It was a good year!

            Ok, fashion wise it wasn't.


            you STILL wear your spandex crotch grabbers from 1987........









            .........hey, nice ass
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            • #21
              Jobs esp has always been more of a HW / industrial design guy
              (his HW centric approach is one, oft-cited reason NeXT tanked as badly as it did as he didn'tfollow a NextStep license based bailout strategy)

              I don't particularly find there even to be a need to plan obsolescence...rather, not only is the technology still evolving, but the cultural role of the computer, and possibly most impactful to the "planned obsolesence" question the dev process is still way primative...
              incremental improvements, really really soft specification : requirements and design specs that don't match, that change, that sometimes don't even exist. Poor documentation, a QA process that is "downward" (Jrs testing Sr's designs ?!?) critically under-resourced and not typically empowered.
              The push to release for your quarterlies

              All these things tend to make incrementals de rigeur

              The push to morph the computer into an "information appliance" (which certainly isn't new...even old-school fiction could treat the computer as a 'brain in a box' or the "magic answer univac")
              can also have an impact.
              The post Woz apple, for instance, are somewhat monolithic and in-so-doing...may wind up having some limits to how an individual unit can evolve

              I'm not a particular fan of the Apple aesthetic. I mean, I don't have a beef with the products themselves, but I do find the aesthetic to be a little trite, sometimes almost Nagel-ish, with kind of a dated concept of the future...it is in keeping with the Jobs Generation "contempo" look
              Once again, that's a personal opinion of the aesthetic


              The ][ series was a fairly open architecture for hobbyists, hardware interfacing was easy and open (hell, the thing came with a schematic!). I've seen ][s still run lab equipment to this day (they have some advantages such as an OS that has no preemptive task switching, very open HW etc)

              In many ways, the desktop computer has moved from a calculation tool to a communications tool (There are many who consider their computer "broken is web disabled, a great many systems have no programming language installed on them).
              This may be somewhat high overhead as we are often tasking the machines with things they aren't particularly good at -- this makes the dev process longgggggg, haarrrrrdddd, and imperfect
              which is going to yield improvements and changes in approach over time... which is going to cause obsolesence

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              • #22
                LINUX!

                The two Linux boxes I have are rock solid. (Running Mepis 3.1.1) One is still a dual boot with Window 2K the other, main computing box, to this point is Mepis alone. My wife and daughter run Win ME and they are nightmares in many respects though I'm probably going to convert both to Linux. My work involved laptop is running Windows XP and other than my one foul-up that entailed a re-install, it's been rock solid as well. I was fairly easily able to set things up so I can print remotely, via wireless, to the printers connected to the other coputers, one of which is connected to two computers, one with ME as an os and the other is the Linux box.

                The only disadvantage I see to this point is the dirth of audio programs though that is getting better all the time.
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                • #23
                  Steve Jobs has pulled some fast ones regarding upgrades and has outright lied at times.After getting burned by Apple hardware I tended to not trust them anymore,and with Apple bonding with Intel I can say for sure I wont even glance in that direction again for a looooong time.
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                  • #24
                    If anything drives me back to using a Mac at double the price of the same PC power, it will be the "Windows for Dummies" code that plauges XP. Every time a pop up tells me that I have unused icons on my desk top, or my computer is unprotected and I need anti-virus software I get mad. I don't want anti-virus software on my music computer. I want that Reason icon on my desktop, even if I have not used it in 6 months. I don't want Bill sending me little message bubbles every day telling me how to best manage my computer when he has no idea what I use it for. I want him to stop wasting my CPU cycles.

                    So, does Mac have those little nag bubbles that pop up from time to time?

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                    • #25
                      lander does have a good point in that these things very often degenerate into weird Mac v Wintel (which is strange in itself b/c at least until recently, Windows had an alpha kernel as well....do they still? I don't have an MSDN 'script at the moment)
                      which is a fairly narrow view

                      PC itself is a loaded term...I'm still from a gen and culture where "PC" is "Personal Computer" (ie it's not the 'frame) - not a specific brand or type - so I have to sometimes edit myself and I'm trying to get used to using "desktop" though that seems to remove "laptop" from the equation

                      I think there are more diverse workflows and work options out there than we give ourselves. While binary is in heavy use in digital computing...it ain't the only way...maybe we should keep that in mind as we look at our systems -- there can be more than 2 states

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Sneaky6


                        you STILL wear your spandex crotch grabbers from 1987........









                        .........hey, nice ass


                        Because I have the body to wear them!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by el cochino


                          Because I have the body to wear them!

                          so...you are saying you can still fit into them b/c they are stretchy?!?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by MorePaul

                            so...you are saying you can still fit into them b/c they are stretchy?!?


                            Exactly, and there's still enough room for a pair of socks in the PP area, as well.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by daklander
                              LINUX!

                              My wife and daughter run Win ME and they are nightmares in many respects though I'm probably going to convert both to Linux.


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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Anderton
                                Okay, as I consigned my IIci to the scrap heap, I realized that Apple's success is due to clever "hardware management." Apple makes nice margins on hardware; compare generic PC vs. Apple and you see what's happening. So Apple needs you to turn over your computers as much as possible for them to stay profitable, do R&D, come up with bold strokes like the iPod, etc.

                                But to be fair, they hold up their end of the bargain. When you get a new Mac, first of all, it looks bitchin'. Apple's industrial design is about as good as it gets; their computers are works of art IMHO. And you get a state of the art performance boost (assuming any relevant software has been updated to accommodate new hardware) because of hardware improvements.

                                Microsoft makes their bucks on the OS, so it's in their interest to have people get a new OS whenever Windows mutates into something new. And like Apple, they work hard to come up with the incentives so you go "Yeah, that's worth the bucks."

                                But we're also talking pure, unfiltered planned obsolescence, aren't we? Even if I wanted to use my IIci, no web browser that would run on it would pass a web site's browser check.

                                We all know progress has a price, but I think Apple has based their model around not just progress, but obsolescence. Even that brand new spanking Dual G5 is pretty much toast once the Intel-based models appear. In return, you get the latest and greatest. More and more, Apple is looking like sports cars, and Microsoft, like sedans -- albeit with leather seats and XM radio


                                I disagree. I used my 400 mhz G4 for six years and my dual G5 will run at least that long - all of my music software runs on it now, and will continue to run on it after the Intel switch.

                                Besides, the high end machines won't be swapped out for another TWO YEARS and I'm
                                pretty much going to keep it until it blows up.

                                No problems. My PC in the basement will likely be (already is) moribund prior to this one fading out. That machine is an Athlon 2400 but I've got it running Xandros Linux which spares me much of the headaches I get with the Windows machines I deal with all day at work.
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