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  • #16
    Originally posted by Kiwiburger
    Firewire or USB2 to get the files out.


    I was using the FireWire port on the HD-P2 for transfers, but it's actually more convenient to just pop the card out and use a card reader on the computer than to carry the recorder in, hook up the cable, power up the HD-P2, tell it to switch to FireWire drive mode, wait for the drive to mount, etc.


    I expect capacities to increase, but i'd be happy with 10 minutes record time for 8 tracks at 24/44.1 for immediate use.


    You should be able to get that and more on a 2GB card, which is readily available. A 4 or 8GB card will (obviously) give you much more than that. 24-bit/44.1kHz only requires 7.5MB per track minute, if I remember correctly.

    I'd love to have an 8-track version of the HD-P2!!

    Mitch
    Mitch Gallagher
    Editorial Director
    Sweetwater
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    www.mitchgallagher.com

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    • #17
      Originally posted by MitchG
      For years all my systems have been computer-based, so there has been fan and drive noise. For something as quiet as classical guitar, it's an issue. I operate the recorder, etc., myself, so I like having it sitting on a little table right next to me, I can just drop one hand down and operate everything.
      Kids these days! (though I know you're not that much younger than I) I, too, would be hesitant to use a computer in the same room (much less on stage with me) to record an acoustic music program, particularly one with an audience. But I've never had an ambient noise problem with a DAT, Minidisk, cassette, or properly threaded reel-to-reel recorder.
      I'm not recording concert-length recordings with it at this point. Instead I'm capturing a number of takes of one song at a time, then picking the best. I dump to hard drive in the computer, back-up to a removable drive (and later to optical disc), then erase the CF card in the computer. Takes just a few seconds.
      My more frequent scenario is recording at a festival where I'm also mixing the PA and doing it all day with barely a break to pee. There just isn't enough time or brain cells to do one more thing like recycling the memory cards during the course of the day. It would have been really cool if Frontier had jumped on my suggestion and given the HD-P2 enough smarts to stream to a disk drive connected ot the Firewire port. But then I suppose that would be the moving part that makes the noise that want to avoid.
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      • #18
        I'll repost a post I made recently

        Hard drive's days are numbered
        Email Print Normal font Large font March 23, 2006 - 12:34PM


        Samsung Electronics says it has developed a new data storage medium for mobile computers that enables users to process data much faster with minimal consumption of power.

        The 32-Gigabyte (GB) NAND flash-based solid state disk (SSD) can upload and download data quickly and quietly as it uses instantly-accessible, static NAND flash memory instead of the rotating discs found in hard drives.

        SSD weighs only half as much as a hard drive, reads data three times faster and writes data 1.5 times quicker, it said.

        It consumes a mere five per cent of the electricity needed to power a hard disk drive and operates silently as it requires no motor or any other noise-making parts.

        Samsung unveiled a landmark laptop installed with SSD at its annual Mobile Solution Forum that took place in Taipei on Tuesday, the company said.

        It marked the first time that NAND flash chips, which are usually used in small devices such as digital cameras and MP3 players, have been applied to a mobile computer, it added.

        "Flash memory will fast replace hard disks in all mobile computing applications," Hwang was quoted by the Korea Herald as saying at the forum.

        Hwang said that by 2008, laptops equipped with SSD will account for 30 per cent of the global laptop market as the price of a 32-gigabyte SSD will fall from the current $US500 to $US200 in that space of time.

        The global SSD market will surge from $US540 million in 2006 to $US4.5 billion by 2010, Samsung said.

        AFP


        cheers
        john
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        • #19
          <<I expect capacities to increase, but i'd be happy with 10 minutes record time for 8 tracks at 24/44.1 for immediate use>>

          Like I've been doing with my DigiTech GNX-4 now for over a year Well, not the 24-bit part, but I've used the solid-state recorder in there to record narration in a whisper-quiet studio, then I bounce the file over to my computer for final video/audio editing.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Jeff da Weasel


            A "concert", maybe. But a solo performance in a church on voice or acoustic guitar, or piano? Of course you're better off with something that has no transport noise or other mechanical sounds. Why would anyone want more noise when less is now more and more commonly available?

            And yes, Mike... people commonly do erase and re-use non-analog media. There's no degradation... no one even used a hard drive or Flash RAM until it "wore too thin to record", to the best of my knowledge.

            - Jeff


            Well, the terminology is different, but hard disks do wear out. They spec it as mean time between failure.
            Like CDs, hard drives are NOT permanent storage. They only store stuff for now until you get an even bigger hard drive.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by amplayer
              Like CDs, hard drives are NOT permanent storage.


              Absolutely correct. But in terms of "re-recordability", hard drives sure kick ass on 2" tape.

              - Jeff
              Music, thoughts, stuff, and... I guess that's all

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              • #22
                You mean I'm supposed to use different reels of tape for each project? I've just been using the same three or four reels over and over for the past 27 years...
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                • #23
                  OT justa say hi to Mitch!

                  I had a limping Fostex 4 track, an HR 16, and my trusty GP-8. Not yet G.A.S. I think I went to Sweetwater for some cables and got to talkin. I left with an Adat! LOL. Later, the tracks just weren't poppin.
                  Ahhh, dbx 166, my first compressor! Then came all the questions.

                  And more gear.

                  Mitch, you were always so cool to take the time to hang and listen to what must have been crazy mixes and really dumb questions. I'd mention I was playing under the beer tent and invite you to check it out and there you'd be. I sure have enjoyed the process and hopefully have learned a lot. I think I have

                  So what does the ice cream truck play on your side of town?

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                  • #24
                    P.S. The ice cream truck comment hails from another thread that I started which you may have been fortunate enough to have missed. And the thing prolly doesn't get away with cluttering the air space around Sweetwater much anyway I should think!

                    Congrats on your new position and return to Sweetwater!

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                    • #25
                      but then, I also remember typing in punch cards. Not that I'm THAT old!

                      Mitch


                      I remember when the internet was just in black and white: you "fingered" someone's "home page" and got a text message...

                      I remember when I was about 7 going with my cousin to the local college and typing forever on a punch card reader with some primitive pseudo-Turtle/COBOL language, *just to make an ASCII printout of the Enterprise*.

                      BECAUSE, there weren't any CRT terminals. The line printer was your "monitor"....


                      From what I know, presently a lot of solid state memory devices (the USB jobbies) have a limited number of read/write cycles... whereas it's not a big deal for mundane storage, it could be an issue when trying to use one as a "main drive", shuffling large files repeatedly...

                      AT THE SAME TIME,

                      I'm sure the government has all sorts of solid state memory devices that are orders of magnitude beyond what we can buy now, and are probably keeping it out of circulation... Seems like for over a decade there's press releases about "holographic storage breakthroughs" and other storage approaches - yielding orders of magnitude greater storage - that somehow evaporates into the Media Noise Floor...
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                      • #26
                        i look forward to a computer with no moving parts that can withstand spilled beer, falling off the table, tempurature extremes, dust, and anything else i might do to it... basically, completly childproof...
                        My Gear:

                        Herco Flex 75 picks
                        Jim Dunlop medium picks courtesy of Lord Wein
                        GHS Boomer strings
                        Dunlop strings, which I have yet to try
                        Electric guitar A
                        Electric guitar B
                        Electric guitar C
                        Electric guitar D
                        Electric guitar E
                        Bass guitar parts
                        Acoustic guitar A
                        Acoustic guitar B
                        Acoustic guitar C
                        Amplifier A
                        Amplifier B
                        Amplifier C
                        Box full of stomp boxes and wah peddles from the 80s 90s and 00s
                        Box full of cables
                        Some recording stuff
                        No talent

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                        • #27
                          You know... it does not matter at all how fast tomorrow's computers will be. Sad but true. Every piece of software will become so bloated, complex and impossible to manage that instead of things working faster everything becomes slower.

                          And then we have to update our computers again even if the marketing and ads screamed "most powerful computer ever built!".

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                          • #28
                            The "Virtually Indestructible Keyboard" has been a fixture of my home computer for years. Spill your beer? No problem - just give the keyboard a shower, dry it off, and you're ready to go in minutes!
                            Originally posted by paulskirocks
                            i look forward to a computer with no moving parts that can withstand spilled beer, falling off the table, tempurature extremes, dust, and anything else i might do to it... basically, completly childproof...
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by RockViolin
                              OT justa say hi to Mitch!

                              I had a limping Fostex 4 track, an HR 16, and my trusty GP-8. Not yet G.A.S. I think I went to Sweetwater for some cables and got to talkin. I left with an Adat! LOL. Later, the tracks just weren't poppin.
                              Ahhh, dbx 166, my first compressor! Then came all the questions.

                              And more gear.

                              Mitch, you were always so cool to take the time to hang and listen to what must have been crazy mixes and really dumb questions. I'd mention I was playing under the beer tent and invite you to check it out and there you'd be. I sure have enjoyed the process and hopefully have learned a lot. I think I have

                              So what does the ice cream truck play on your side of town?


                              Hey Tom! (Am I guessing correctly?) Long time....

                              I remember some pretty astounding electric violin "concerts" in Sweetwater's demo room as you tried out processors, etc. And a long-haired rocker playing with the Symphony....

                              Let me know what you are up to these days.

                              Thanks for your kind words.

                              Mitch
                              Mitch Gallagher
                              Editorial Director
                              Sweetwater
                              -----
                              www.mitchgallagher.com

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                              • #30
                                just hat is G.A.S. anyway?
                                My Gear:

                                Herco Flex 75 picks
                                Jim Dunlop medium picks courtesy of Lord Wein
                                GHS Boomer strings
                                Dunlop strings, which I have yet to try
                                Electric guitar A
                                Electric guitar B
                                Electric guitar C
                                Electric guitar D
                                Electric guitar E
                                Bass guitar parts
                                Acoustic guitar A
                                Acoustic guitar B
                                Acoustic guitar C
                                Amplifier A
                                Amplifier B
                                Amplifier C
                                Box full of stomp boxes and wah peddles from the 80s 90s and 00s
                                Box full of cables
                                Some recording stuff
                                No talent

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