Remote recording

[temnov]

I have a question and if you can share you experience it will be great.

 

I'll make a recording for jazz duet, where a sax-player is in Russia and the keyboard guy is in US. While they know each other and I made some of their recording before they are concern that it won't be a "real thing" if we record them part by part, not at once. I'm trying to find a solution to make their recording over the net. I'm using Cubase SX3.1 or Cubase 4, my friend in Russia will probably be using the same software.

 

So, I think we're talking about some kind of plugin with delay compensation during recording and monitoring.

 

Did you do that kind of recording over the Internet and what tools did you use?

 

Thanks.

[boosh]

No matter what you do the delay will allways be to large to duet.

Buy a planeticket and record together.

[temnov]

That will be, well, expensive.

Besides all the visa's problems, etc..

 

I heard there is some kind of plugin for PT, but how about Cubase or Ableton?

[boosh]

Man don't you think that if it was possible the guys from Newsnetwork didn't use it?

Watch CNN when they have someone on ait who's on the other side of the world,... notice the delay.

If this could be fixed with a simple plugin don't ya think these guys wouldn't use it right away?

 

If you go one way it's possible.

Let's say the guy in Russia starts playing and you in the States starts half a second later,... you could jam along with him. He can't hear you because the audio you produce has to get back at him and that takes time.

 

It's just impossible over such a distance.

[MikeRivers]

 

Man don't you think that if it was possible the guys from Newsnetwork didn't use it? Watch CNN when they have someone on ait who's on the other side of the world,... notice the delay. If this could be fixed with a simple plugin don't ya think these guys wouldn't use it right away?

It doesn't work for interactive jamming, but people "phone in" overdub parts quite frequently now. It's all in adjusing the monitor delay on the receiving end. And, in fact, one that I saw at the NAMM show a couple of years back was actually built to work with ProTools. It worked through a dedicated server (you paid for server time as well as the program) and what you actually heard was audio in a compressed format, but you recorded a real PCM file. When the "producer" receives the PCM file via FTP or some other file transfer process, he drops it in to the project.

 

For talent-challanged people like me, they had a demo system set up for doing a voice-over. I played the role of the VO talent, communicated via voice (like studio talkback) with the producer who was actually (so they told me) in an office in downtown LA, we did a run-through, changed the script in a couple of places, and then put down the part. She played it back to me, I punched in a sentence, and then I got bored with the demo, but it clearly was workable.

 

(a) I can't remember the name of the system

(b) They didn't show up again the next year

 

 

 

I can't see this working for a jazz duo however.

[temnov]

Thanks you, Mike. It's jazz and musicians are very good and for them the feel of playing together is the most important.

 

Well, I made some research and found those sites. eJamming was the one that I saw on web sometime ago. I'll probably try it for my project.

 

http://www.masternewmedia.org/music_collaboration/music_jamming/online_music_collaboration_software_eJamming_20050928.htm

 

 

http://www.ejamming.com/

 

 

What do you think about this, Boosh?

[boosh]

I thought you were talking about audio.

EJamming works with midi and midicontrollers like keyboards,drumpads or Midiguitars,...

 

Audio is simply not possible.

[temnov]

Just read that eJamming is MIDI-based and got your message, Boosh.

 

Doesn't work for me..I need audio.

[boosh]

And to that,........... a 49Ms second delay??????

Gsus man that is eternity.

 

Try to imagine: You hit your keyboard and the sound kicks in 49Ms after you've hit.....

[John Sayers]

Have you tried using skype??

[temnov]

kidding, right?

[Gus Lozada]

one word: DIGIDELIVERY.

 

In real time, I guess it is not possible.

Record your tracks in one location, upload them to a server, download them, add other tracks at the second location, upload, download at your studio, mix.

[John Sayers]

 

kidding, right?

 

 

no - I've played music to people over skype and they could have sung along - If I had bothered to record it I could have played it back. Skype is VIOP, it doesn't use the standard telephone lines - it's puter to puter and the quality is way above the telephone quality.

 

It's the only system I know of that you could try to get want you want.

sorry if you think it's silly.

[temnov]

John, thank you for you suggestion.

 

I didn't want to be rude I just never dealt with Skype. I think we can at least to check the idea and try it for rehearsal.

[John Sayers]

Skype will also allow conferencing so there could be three people involved plus it will handle video as well if your net speed and puter are fast enough

[boosh]

 

no - I've played music to people over skype and they could have sung along

 

 

If you go one way it allways works no matter what the delay is but if you want to jam simultaniously it just won't work.

 

The saxplayer has to play,...then the sound has to go all the way to the other side of the world where the keyboardplayer gets it and plays along.

 

There is no problem there,...the delay that occurs won't be disturbing. for the keyboard player but it will be when the saxplayer gets the keyboard back,...

 

You're dealing with a two way delay then which is just to large to deal with for live musicians.

 

What he could try is use that Ejamming thinghy and instead of using a real sax use a midisax.

[where02190]

Skype will also allow conferencing so there could be three people involved plus it will handle video as well if your net speed and puter are fast enough

 

The latency will be massive and completely unusable in real time.