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  • Take the Cable Challenge

    James Randi (a.k.a. the Amazing Randi) offers $1,000,000. reward to prove $7000 speaker cables are better.

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  • #2
    A long and growing longer thread on this over at GearSlutz...

    http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/148225-like-super-high-end-cable-got-good-ears-make-million-usd.html


    Believe it or not, there are more than a couple posters there who seem to think they could win the money -- but they mostly seem to feel that "the fix must be in"...

    Mostly the same type who think that phase inversion null testing doesn't "tell the whole story."

    Pretty friggin' funny.
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    • #3
      It reminds me of the legend or Eric Johnson and the stompbox batteries, where supposedly he could hear the difference between types of batteries - not dead/dying vs. fresh, but Eveready vs. Duracell.

      Ummm, Eric, can we have a talk...
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      • #4
        I wouldn't be too amazingly shocked (depending on the circuit) if there was some difference between Eveready and Duracell...STD Eveready are Carbon-Zinc (they do make an alkaline these days) and Duracell are Alkaline

        They use different electrode chemistry...not only does the alkaline hold more energy (like 150%-200% of a carbon-zinc), but the voltage/load curves are gonna be different

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        • #5
          There is certainly more room for someone being able to hear the diff between two batteries.

          (And, of course, we don't know if he did double blind testing to see if he could consistently identify which was which or even tell them apart consistently.)

          But differences in voltage output will certainly -- if they're broad enough -- change the overdrive characteristics of something like a distortion pedal.


          That said... I got a buck sez he can't.
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          • #6
            So will differences in the batterys' source impedance - - it would affect the sound of transients.

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            • #7
              I like NOS RCA batteries

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              • #8
                Has James Randi become Consumer Reports?
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                • #9
                  James Randi (a.k.a. the Amazing Randi) offers $1,000,000. reward to prove $7000 speaker cables are better.





                  The cables

                  The review

                  Hyperbole in the audiophile world? Never!


                  $80 for a Monster cable? Wow, that's damn cheap!
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                  • #10
                    Check out Ananlogman's battery comparison in a fuzz pedal:

                    "Battery comparison: two identical NKT 275 pedals. Starts with Alkaline Duracell (twice), Cheap General Purpose type (twice) then Duracell (twice again) on a Les Paul. Listen to the high end change."

                    http://www.mikepiera.com/samples/duracell2.mp3

                    Taken from this page about half way down:

                    http://www.analogman.com/fuzzface.htm
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                    • #11
                      Sorry if this is unrelated but it was this 1million dollar story I read on another forum that coincidentally occured the same time I was looking for whether or not using guitar cables for connecting an amp to a speaker cabinet was bad. I did find DIY audiophiles saying 14 gage lamp cord was as good as some higher end speaker cables. Can that same speaker cable be used if it is soldered to 1/4" plugs? I too was once misled down the "if it costs more it must be better" road, but now I know better.
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                      • #12
                        It reminds me of the legend or Eric Johnson and the stompbox batteries, where supposedly he could hear the difference between types of batteries - not dead/dying vs. fresh, but Eveready vs. Duracell.

                        Ummm, Eric, can we have a talk...
                        Guess you don't believe people can hear the difference between germanium and silicon transistors, either...

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                        • #13
                          Actually, it's been my experience with guitar and mic cords that the solder joints and cleanliness of the connectors makes more difference than any good quality cable.

                          As far as speaker wire is concerned, the gauge is way more important than anything else depending on the ohm load and how long your cable needs to be.
                          -David

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                          • #14
                            Guess you don't believe people can hear the difference between germanium and silicon transistors, either...


                            Never said that.
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                            • #15
                              No blasting intended, Billster.

                              People who claim to hear a difference have taken stick in the past and I just wanted to show that there is a difference.

                              If the difference is too subtle to bother you that's fine but it is a big deal to some. Perhaps I spend too much time fussing with guitar tones!
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