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  • Yanks Fire Joe Torre: Can you make sense of this?

    As a life long Yankee fan, firing Torre is like firing your father! How is it possible that a guy with his success with this team is disrespected with a pay cut? OK, 5 million dollars is a lot of money but we are talking baseball here...

    Torre is irreplaceable.

    I love Mattingly but Girardi gets my vote for manager.

    And while we`re at it... let AROD & Clemens go.

    Pettitte, Mariano and Jorge must stay and deserve to wear the uniform until they retire.

    Whats your take?

  • #2
    Didn't Torre turn down the Yankees offer on his own.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3069115

    Maybe he's just tired of having to fight for his job every single offseason after all he's accomplished.

    Can't say I blame him.
    "Everything is on the one"

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    • #3
      Not fired. He rejected their offer, which was a pay cut for him.

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      • #4

        I love Mattingly but Girardi gets my vote for manager.


        Jay Mohr had a great quote, something like "After 12 years making the postseason and a fistfull of rings, what you REALLY want is a career .200 hitting catcher who got fired after his first season managing."

        If it's not Mattingly, I wonder how LaRussa would do in NYC. The Yankees job is 1/3 managing the game, 1/3 managing the egos in the clubhouse, 1/3 managing the media. That last 1/3 can lead to getting you fired as easily as a other 2/3 and that's where Torre often doesn't get enough credit.

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        • #5
          As a life long Yankee fan, firing Torre is like firing your father! How is it possible that a guy with his success with this team is disrespected with a pay cut? OK, 5 million dollars is a lot of money but we are talking baseball here...

          Torre is irreplaceable.

          I love Mattingly but Girardi gets my vote for manager.

          And while we`re at it... let AROD & Clemens go.

          Pettitte, Mariano and Jorge must stay and deserve to wear the uniform until they retire.

          Whats your take?



          He wasn't fired he turned down an offer that was insulting, and in my opinion, designed to make him quit.

          I think the next skipper will be either: Tony LaRussa, Bobby Cox or Bobby Valentine. Mattingly has no experience, and Girardi, while a very capable skip, may be a little too young to manage guys he played with just a short time ago (also Big Stein wasn't too high on him anyway).

          Knowing the Yankees, they'll go for the marqee name.....
          Originally Posted by PHILL MOSSING


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          • #6
            Saw Mariano interviewed last week, and he made it pretty clear that his choice of uniform next year would be heavily influenced by what decision was made on Torre.

            They're cooked.

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            • #7
              Iamthe blues has it right -- an offer designed to make him refuse it, and it wasn;t the pay cut that did it; it was the second year option being tied to a world series appearance. See, Joe prob. wanted to be the last manager in the old Yankee Stadium and the first manager in the new one.

              Torre has long standing issue with the boss' man Randy Levine, and this time Cashman didn't supplicate to keep Torre in the family, because Cash himself is on shaky ground...

              Big mistake by the Yankees.

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              • #8
                If it's not Mattingly, I wonder how LaRussa would do in NYC. The Yankees job is 1/3 managing the game, 1/3 managing the egos in the clubhouse, 1/3 managing the media. That last 1/3 can lead to getting you fired as easily as a other 2/3 and that's where Torre often doesn't get enough credit.


                LaRussa has a ton of experience from his days managing in Chicago, Oakland and St. Louis. The Cardinals fans/media are just as rabid, if not moreso, than in NYC so he'd handle the media fine......
                Originally Posted by PHILL MOSSING


                Women's restrooms look like a place where chimpanzees are killed by hand.



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                • #9

                  Torre has long standing issue with the boss' man Randy Levine, and this time Cashman didn't supplicate to keep Torre in the family, because Cash himself is on shaky ground...

                  Big mistake by the Yankees.


                  Bingo!
                  Originally Posted by PHILL MOSSING


                  Women's restrooms look like a place where chimpanzees are killed by hand.



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                  • #10
                    I like Jay, but he's way off on this. Girardi was a clutch player who has a great understanding of the game. He was named manager of the year in Florida and was fired because he did not get along with the idiot owner down there.



                    Well that certainly wouldn't be a problem in NY then, where the owner is such an agreeable fellow!

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                    • #11
                      Saw Mariano interviewed last week, and he made it pretty clear that his choice of uniform next year would be heavily influenced by what decision was made on Torre.

                      They're cooked.


                      I have a feeling you won't see him back next year, along with Pettitte, Clemens (good riddance), Giambi, Mussina and maybe Posada. I think they'll hold on to A-Rod if only to save face from the Torre debacle.

                      Losing Rivera may not be too bad of a thing, if they give the closer slot to Joba (think back to '97 when Wetteland laft and Mo took over as closer). I like the young arms this team has and the soon to be new pitching coach (Dave Eiland) has worked with them already.....
                      Originally Posted by PHILL MOSSING


                      Women's restrooms look like a place where chimpanzees are killed by hand.



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                      • #12
                        Well that certainly wouldn't be a problem in NY then, where the owner is such an agreeable fellow!


                        The difference is in Florida the owner calls all the shots, while Big Stein doesn't seem to wield the same control he did in years past (10 years ago there'd be no meetings in Tampa to decide Torre's fate, George would've just axed him and been done with it).
                        Originally Posted by PHILL MOSSING


                        Women's restrooms look like a place where chimpanzees are killed by hand.



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                        • #13
                          We will see that #6 on the wall for sure....

                          I always thought that Girardi was in Florida for training purposes by Steinbrenner (who owns a micro-ownership of the Marlins too) when the original groom, Willie Randolph, went to my team: The Mets ( no thumbsup smiley because my Mets really let me down)
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                          • #14
                            Bingo!


                            FWIW- I went to Jr high and HS with Randy Levine. He was such a boyscout-in the lates 60's early 70's its hard to imagine him as a cutthroat player in this realm.
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                            • #15
                              ... if they give the closer slot to Joba (think back to '97 when Wetteland laft and Mo took over as closer)...

                              If any or all of these guys go (Pettitte, Clemens and Mussina), you'll be seeing Joba as a starter. There's already talk about it, even if Rivera goes. You need starters/middle relief. Could he really be any worst than Mussina?

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