Members scud133 Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 10 years from now, AutoTune vocals will be just as lame as 80s drums were in the 90s. It's going mainstream, everyone from Britney Spears to Snoop Dogg are using it as an effect --- but eventually it will get old. That day can only come soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nwtsnma Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 10 years from now the vocals will be entirely computer generated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scud133 Posted October 15, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 10 years from now the vocals will be entirely computer generated touch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 As an effect, it's one thing. But when it's in a genre (like, oh, say, country or bluegrass) where obvious robo-tuning is inappropriate, you have to assume that the tin-ears that let some of this stuff out of the mixing suite simply can't hear it -- or are deluded into thinking others can't -- or they simply flat-ass don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scud133 Posted October 15, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 just as a disclaimer, i'm all for the use of pitch correction when it's used responsibly and imperceptibly. but i can't stand it as a deliberate effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hard Truth Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 I think many folks confuse intentional vocal processing vocoder etc. with badly used pitch correction. Both will be known as the cliche of our times, hated for awhile and then considered retro and cool again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Super 8 Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 10 years from now, AutoTune vocals will be just as lame as 80s drums were in the 90s. 20 years from now everyone will be paying top dollar for those 00's Autotune's to get that vintage sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DavidJones529 Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 10 years from now, AutoTune vocals will be just as lame as 80s drums were in the 90s. It's going mainstream, everyone from Britney Spears to Snoop Dogg are using it as an effect --- but eventually it will get old. That day can only come soon enough Going mainstream? It's already been mainstream for at least 10 years. Cher's breakthrough was 1998. Anyone see Kanye West on TV last night? He seriously cannot sing. The verses were untuned...yikes...then the chorus was all warblified and on pitch. But he is huge...the crowd knew every line. He's a massive grammy winning superstar. Pop music is/was/will always be a sucky cheeseball affair..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scud133 Posted October 15, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 Going mainstream? It's already been mainstream for at least 10 years. Cher's breakthrough was 1998. Anyone see Kanye West on TV last night? He seriously cannot sing. The verses were untuned...yikes...then the chorus was all warblified and on pitch. But he is huge...the crowd knew every line. He's a massive grammy winning superstar. Pop music is/was/will always be a sucky cheeseball affair..... Cher did it in 1998 but it wasn't popular as an effect until T-Pain hit the scene. My point is, it's now entered mainstream consciousness. When I started hearing non-musician friends talking about that "cool voice effect" () that's when I knew... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 I hate it as an effect but if someone uses it that way it doesn't offend my sensibilities as much as my ear. And who am I to say that they shouldn't use it that way? I hate phase shifters and choruses on guitar and gated toms and... Well, I'm just a crotchety old man who knows how the bones are buried but wishes they'd stay off my lawn when they're burying them. But what drives me nuts is when there are distinct artifacts in a song where it's clear from most of the vocal that it's supposed to be flying under the radar. It just seems so slipshod and incompetent. Melodyne appears to be much more subtle but then people use it on a whole vocal in genres (like the aforementioned country and bluegrass) where its clearly not being used as an effect but rather as a fix where they apparently couldn't be bothered to go through the vocal a phrase at a time and properly use it where appropriate and hand tinker it in, it is still really annoying and really irritating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slight-return Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 Cher did it in 1998 but it wasn't popular as an effect until T-Pain hit the scene. My point is, it's now entered mainstream consciousness. When I started hearing non-musician friends talking about that "cool voice effect" ( ) that's when I knew... Might be more of an age/subculture thing In my groupings it's "that Cher effect" -- yup,including non musicians you descirbe the effect and they almost invariably go "Do YOu BeLieVe iN LiFE AFtEr LoVE" I've never even heard of T-pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DavidJones529 Posted October 15, 2008 Members Share Posted October 15, 2008 Cher did it in 1998 but it wasn't popular as an effect until T-Pain hit the scene. My point is, it's now entered mainstream consciousness. When I started hearing non-musician friends talking about that "cool voice effect" ( ) that's when I knew... What took everybody so long? Or maybe now it's nostalgia for that vintage golden late 90s era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scud133 Posted October 16, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 Might be more of an age/subculture thing In my groupings it's "that Cher effect" -- yup,including non musicians you descirbe the effect and they almost invariably go "Do YOu BeLieVe iN LiFE AFtEr LoVE" I've never even heard of T-pain T-Pain is the guy that gets featured on every major pop song adding his cher-effect voice to the chorus. Just about any song that hits #1 these days is "Blah Blah by That Artist ft. T-Pain" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cry Logic Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 "....Melodyne appears to be much more subtle...." Try taking out all the modulation. (Till it's flat lined) See how subtle it is then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Music Calgary Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 you descirbe the effect and they almost invariably go"Do YOu BeLieVe iN LiFE AFtEr LoVE" I think that vocal sounds cool -- it's a solid radio track. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cry Logic Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 I think that vocal sounds cool -- it's a solid radio track. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slight-return Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 I think that vocal sounds cool -- it's a solid radio track. It is what it is. Iagreed - is what it is. My comment was just the reaction I get when I describe autotune to people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slight-return Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 T-Pain is the guy that gets featured on every major pop song adding his cher-effect voice to the chorus. still doesn't ring a bell -- are you sure he's on every major pop song these days? that's a lot of ground to cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members axolotls Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 According to the Boston Herald, "Country stars Reba McEntire, Faith Hill and Tim McGraw have all confessed to using Auto-Tune in performance, claiming it is a safety net that guarantees ticket buyers a good performance." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jotown Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 Cher did it in 1998 but it wasn't popular as an effect until T-Pain hit the scene. My point is, it's now entered mainstream consciousness. When I started hearing non-musician friends talking about that "cool voice effect" ( ) that's when I knew... Cher did it in (98 and Kid Rock had a hit with it as an effect the same year (Only God knows Why). Li'l Wayne is doing it the same way right now - just like T-Pain did. It has been around as an effect for at least ten years and the trend seems to be in no danger of dying down. Which is too bad in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cry Logic Posted October 16, 2008 Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 "....Kid Rock had a hit with it as an effect the same year (Only God knows Why)..." God had nothing to do with it....It was people.....Lot's of 'em.They liked what they heard so they bought the song. Same with his latest one(All Summer Long).A huge hit.... many people really like it.If you don't know why you're missing the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members scud133 Posted October 16, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 16, 2008 nah i think yall are missing my point. a *few* people used it way back in 1998. But the last year or two it has really exploded as a popular effect. If you turn on any top 40 radio station, you are guaranteed to hear autotune as an effect at some point before you turn the radio off. It was *not* that way when cher used it in 1998. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slight-return Posted October 17, 2008 Members Share Posted October 17, 2008 I think we get your point, but just have a different perspective on it when it was notable to the mainstreamhow fast it "gets old" / when it "got old" That's the thing about 'no brainers' and it's 'everywhere' a lot of that can have to do with perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jotown Posted October 17, 2008 Members Share Posted October 17, 2008 According to the Boston Herald, "Country stars Reba McEntire, Faith Hill and Tim McGraw have all confessed to using Auto-Tune in performance, claiming it is a safety net that guarantees ticket buyers a good performance."That is so sad. But country music and R&B use it on pretty much every record so I guess you can't sound like the record without it. Again; that is pretty sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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