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  • #31


    I've never once claimed to be a professional at anything relating to music creation. But I do know how people listen to music, Angelo. You can't stop them from using phones. You can try, though, for my personal amusement.


    people can listen to music with whatever they like...

    but we talk about the basic principles of music production, such as recording, and particular mixing, Mr. Klopmeyer.

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    • #32
      oh, and there is no conversion process between the two fundamental recording and playback principles.

      When mixing with headphones, one does not even hear near what the signal represents.

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      • #33
        people can listen to music with whatever they like...


        Including headphones. Wouldn't you like to have some idea of what they might be hearing? Or do you like it to be a fun little surprise after the recording is released? I like surprises, too.
        Music, thoughts, stuff, and... I guess that's all

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        • #34
          Wow, this seems to have really struck a nerve. Your comments are all very, very interesting.

          Personally, I also do what seems to be common - listen on headphones during the early stages to catch errors/issues, when every detail is exposed, then switch over to speakers later on as a reality check. This has nothing to do with people sleeping or neighbors; I could do the whole process on speakers if I wanted to. But, headphones are a great diagnostic tool.

          However...given that I travel and do videos for HC at hotel rooms, bringing monitor speakers isn't practical. Nor is it possible to optimize room acoustics beyond some really basic things, like taking off the bedspreads and hanging them, or drawing the drapes to minimize reflections off windows. As a result, there are some situations where I HAVE to mix on headphones. This has led me on a quest to find the best possible methodology for this type of mixing.

          One compensating factor is that I assume many people will listen to the HC videos over computer speakers, so I can run a reality check using my laptop speakers. However, they don't catch a lot of things, including p-popping so really, they're useful only to see if the amount of compression and general EQ is okay.

          I know what Rudolf means about the difference in stereo perception with headphones vs. speakers, and this presents one of the biggest traps when trying to mix on phones. However, just as you can "learn" a room or "learn" the deficiencies in a set of speakers, after enough A-B comparisons of what you hear on phones vs. what you hear on speakers, you start to know how to compensate.

          Keep those comments coming...
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          • #35

            Including headphones. Wouldn't you like to have some idea of what they might be hearing? Or do you like it to be a fun little surprise after the recording is released? I like surprises, too.



            if I would spend the time to listen to every production over the wrong playback system, then I would never come to an end.

            and when it sounds exellent on my high resolution monitoring, then it sounds good on any playback system, including headphones.

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            • #36
              if I would spend the time to listen to every production over the wrong playback system, then I would never come to an end.


              You don't need to check every playback system. Three or four scenarios cover 95% of all possibilities.

              and when it sounds exellent on my high resolution monitoring, then it sounds good on any playback system, including headphones.


              That should be true. However, not everyone is privileged enough to have access to really excellent monitors that allow for mixes that translate to every playback system. Some folks can't afford them, and others find themselves in settings where listening at SPL levels appropriate for mixing isn't possible.

              In any case, I do prefer to give the phones a try when listening to a mix before it's unleashed on the world.
              Music, thoughts, stuff, and... I guess that's all

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              • #37

                I know what Rudolf means about the difference in stereo perception with headphones vs. speakers, and this presents one of the biggest traps when trying to mix on phones. However, just as you can "learn" a room or "learn" the deficiencies in a set of speakers, after enough A-B comparisons of what you hear on phones vs. what you hear on speakers, you start to know how to compensate.

                Keep those comments coming...


                Craig,

                Head related stereophony is a complete other phenomena then room related stereohony. When you work like you mention, then you must also define which headphone model is the reference, or it is almost an analogy to lesson #1 every recordist learns at day one:


                "Wer eine nat

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                • #38
                  One year ago I moved into a house. For 20 years before that I lived in apartments. Being a good neighbor I did most everything using headphones. That includes practicing piano on a RD and composing music. I had speakers but for me a good set of headphones cranked was better than the best monitors with the dial set to 1. As someone said, reference is important with headphones. But then, isn't it important for even the best studio monitors? I've heard the "you cannot mix with headphones" argument over and over. You know what, I'll take my mix over the squished CRAP mixes that most studios seem to shove onto the radio. I don't mix for loudness. I mix so that I can hear all the little things in the music.

                  From all the complaints I hear on the forums about the current sound of music releases, why would I want to follow the "rules" for mixing?
                  My friends have big houses and new cars. I own music equipment.

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                  • #39
                    From all the complaints I hear on the forums about the current sound of music releases, why would I want to follow the "rules" for mixing?


                    I think a lot of the blame falls on the mastering engineers getting pressure from the clients rather than the mix engineers.

                    I do feel that overly-compressed music sounds worse on headphones than on speakers, but that's just a subjective impression.
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                    • #40
                      and people who believe that room related stereophony can be perfectly mixed via headphones, should also believe that head related stereophony (artificial head recording), can be perfectly mixed on loudspeakers.

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                      • #41

                        I do feel that overly-compressed music sounds worse on headphones than on speakers, but that's just a subjective impression.


                        that is a fact for me

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                        • #42
                          I do feel that overly-compressed music sounds worse on headphones than on speakers, but that's just a subjective impression.


                          If it's subjective, count me in on that as well.
                          Music, thoughts, stuff, and... I guess that's all

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                          • #43

                            I don't see anyone who believes that... Are we in the same thread?
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                            • #44
                              me neither...... no, we are not in the same thread

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                              • #45
                                Im 90% on my monitors.
                                However, like many home guys my room and monitors do not accurately reproduce the very low end.
                                I check through my AT phones specifically to check the boom/mud factor in the very lowest octaves.
                                Of course I listen to refernce material through both monitors and the phones to calibrate the sound.
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