Members george costanza Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wide Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 Greatest rock drummer ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kerouac Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 Greatest rock drummer ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wide Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 I meant greatest living rock drummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted October 22, 2009 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2009 I love that commercial. I heard about it on NPR and could not imagine what the hell they were going on about. Now that I've seen it... How it ties in with Cadbury's I don't quite get but that's OK. I love the way "Phil" is loosening his neck muscles waiting for his big entry, then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jotown Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 I never got why musicians love to hate Phil Collins. He was a musician in a pretty cool band who got a chance to do more and ran with it. He didn't invent the gated snare so that everyone would copy it. His engineer found an actually very cool sound that just got over used after the success of In the air tonight. I am not a huge Phil Collins fan, but he has had a great career and he has gotten to do some amazing things that most musicians only fantsize about. Musicians can be such haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Billster Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 I never got why musicians love to hate Phil Collins. He was a musician in a pretty cool band who got a chance to do more and ran with it. You answered your own question. Phil Collins was a musician in a pretty cool band. He got a chance to do more and ran with it...in the wrong direction! Imagine if Robert Frost chose to stop pursuing his poetry and instead went to work writing greeting cards and ad slogans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 Imagine if Robert Frost chose to stop pursuing his poetry and instead went to work writing greeting cards and ad slogans."Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening" would have a similar rhyme scheme but be only one stanza long and have a more upbeat ending... none of this dreary miles to go before I sleep junk. Who needs that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jotown Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 You answered your own question. Phil Collins was a musician in a pretty cool band. He got a chance to do more and ran with it... in the wrong direction! Imagine if Robert Frost chose to stop pursuing his poetry and instead went to work writing greeting cards and ad slogans. And that is your opinion. But you have never had a record label offer you a million dollar deal to make records. And maybe Phill Collins was just being who he was and he wrote corny pop songs. Who are you to - or anyone else - to say that you could have writen, sang or performed better songs if you had the chance? Music is a very subjective things. Phil Collins has millions of fans who love his music and think that he is great. How many million of fans do you have? As I said; musicians are such haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kerouac Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 I never got why musicians love to hate Phil Collins. He was a musician in a pretty cool band who got a chance to do more and ran with it. He didn't invent the gated snare so that everyone would copy it. His engineer found an actually very cool sound that just got over used after the success of In the air tonight. I am not a huge Phil Collins fan, but he has had a great career and he has gotten to do some amazing things that most musicians only fantsize about. Musicians can be such haters. He should have stayed behind the drum kit and shut his mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jotown Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 He should have stayed behind the drum kit and shut his mouth. I am sure that your band thinks the same thing when you sing one of your tunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kerouac Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 I am sure that your band thinks the same thing when you sing one of your tunes. I don't sing in my bands, so it's not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 I meant greatest living rock drummer. you possibly do not know much about rock drummers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Billster Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 Music is a very subjective things. Phil Collins has millions of fans who love his music and think that he is great. How many million of fans do you have? Yes music is subjective. I'll agree to that. But having lots of fans and financial success has nothing to do with artistic success. Lots of people watch "reality" TV shows. Does that make those shows the artistic equivalent of a serious documentary film? I think that musicians dislike the sort of pre-packaged, predictable stuff that latter day Phil Collins embodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jeff da Weasel Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 But you have never had a record label offer you a million dollar deal to make records. Well, there we have it, folks: per Jotown, the best musicians are those that have been offered the most money. So, Jotown believes that these are among the world's greatest musicians: - Whitney Houston- Jay-Z- Mariah Carey- Britney Spears- Celine Dion- Garth Brooks Nice picks! You have great taste, Jo. We should definitely judge people by their income. All along, I was under the mistaken impression that we should enjoy musicians based on their artistic output, but thank you for clarifying this for us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WRGKMC Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 I think the only album I bought with Phil collins on it was back in high school in the 70s when He played with Genesis. The only reason why I bought it was I was going with some chick liked them and she was real hot. The background music worked wonders. I didnt think the album was all that great. and when anyone brought up the bands name, I was like yea I head them but I wasnt into them at all. It was at a time when other bands were into the whole synth rock thing with Yes leading the pack. ELP, King Krimson, Gentle Giant, and others were hitting it big, but it wasnt exactly my go to music. Quit buying Yes albums after their second. I may have bought two ELP, and the rest, I wouldnt know them if I heard them. So by the time Collins started doing his solo stuff, he was pretty much retread in my book. The only reason why I know his music is because the radio stations burned him out playing his stuff 24/7. He did do an album with Philip Baily someone gave me that had a few decent tunes on it, but I cant remember the names right now. I think it was probibly Baily's influence that made it more appealing than Phils stuff anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 The only reason why I bought it was I was going with some chick liked them and she was real hot. The background music worked wonders. I can confirm that !!! however, next morning they left quickly when they found out that my own music is not in the slightest depressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted October 22, 2009 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2009 I'm not a Genesis fan. I'm not a Phil Collins fan either. But... I always thought he was a phenomenal drummer. Anyone remember Brand X? So when he began singing for Genesis, I thought, "Wow, not bad for a drummer. Who knew?" Still didn't care for Genesis. Then I heard Collins solo In The Air Tonight. It's easy to look back on that now and think pffft. But come on... ...the first time you heard In the Air Tonight and that BLucka, gah doom go dooom blam, whatever that fill is coming in, you know it hit you. And he sang the song great. OK? Still not a fan but... just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jeff da Weasel Posted October 22, 2009 Members Share Posted October 22, 2009 Great drummer, yup. There's not a single song composed by him as a solo artist that I have in my otherwise massive music collection, if that tells you anything, but inarguably a very skilled drummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members george costanza Posted October 23, 2009 Author Members Share Posted October 23, 2009 Lemme clarify my position re: Collins.I don't hate him but I don't think he's all that great. What put a lotta people off may be that he made a lotta money, some by the mere fact he tried to follow Pete Gabriel's shoes, some by certain aspects of his personal life...but while even I like some of his stuff (such as the tune in the commercial), I think he definitely drifted into an area that tended to pander to the low expectations of his audience.OK, lotsa pop musicians do that...the Eagles, Thomas "Fats" Waller, some mentioned above, can be found guilty of playing way below their skill level for larger commercial success & honestly that's something for each to decide.Paul McCartney serves up some marginal stuff now & again but he also maintains an edge (Fireman...Oobu Joobu).Many wonder WTF the Roots are doing on Jimmy Fallon's show (or earlier, Branford Marsalis on Leno).Hard to figure the whole world out to our satisfaction, sometimes. What I personally found annoying about Collins was a tendency to pay tribute to Motown records & things he clearly liked (note aspects of his song style & productions imitative of John Lennon) by making inferior versions of them. Still, I like some of his stuff & the offering here was intended in the spirit of a light-hearted joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Isn't music about whereas you like it or not? That does not make it good or bad. And I like Phil Collins music. Good singer, good pop artist, great drummer. ... now if some don't like him, let's start yet another Beatles thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PunkKitty Posted October 23, 2009 Members Share Posted October 23, 2009 He should have stayed behind the drum kit and shut his mouth. I agree. I've been saying that for the last 20 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rasputin1963 Posted October 24, 2009 Members Share Posted October 24, 2009 Phil Collins earned his cred with me by producing (and drumming on) the following records: _BDLcutLekU (Can YOU drum at this tempo?) M_51JR31aU8&feature=related (Phil's famous gated snare... kewl!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elmertfudd Posted October 24, 2009 Members Share Posted October 24, 2009 Peter Collins, not Phil, produced the Tracey Ullman album. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Broke_My_Heart_In_17_Places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rasputin1963 Posted October 24, 2009 Members Share Posted October 24, 2009 Peter Collins, not Phil, produced the Tracey Ullman album. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Broke_My_Heart_In_17_Places Oh wow, I stand corrected. For so long I'd thought that Phil did work on this album. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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