Members bp Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 I would hope that most everyone here is behind music education. Let's see how many points we can pull together. I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone can bring to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bp Posted February 7, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 OK - I'll start. Music education can provide a bridge between music, literature, math, and science. That can't hurt education in the broader sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 what do we need music education for when still a child dies every three seconds in Africa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteinbergerHack Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 what do we need music education for when still a child dies every three seconds in Africa? The better our population is educated, and the more exposure they have to things like the fine arts and other "liberal" subjects, the more likely we are to not only be able to help out the rest of the world, but also to actually lend that assistance when we can. There has never been a correlation shown between more music education and higher crime or drop-out rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paulz Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 For the same reason we need Rudolphs tippy typing on the interwebz when that's happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 okay, okay... Musician with a BA down to Africa ---> IMMEDIATELY !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paulz Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 When does your plane leave?you should probably be packing and reupping your heavy equipment cert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 i have no BA in music, I can stay here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paulz Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 i have no BA in music, I can stay here not if you feel that way with the Africa situation...now you need to pack, reup your heavy equipment cert AND get a BA -- whew it's going to be a busy day for you -- you probably better log off...for the children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gabriel E. Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 Music is prevalent in out culture. We either listen actively (use an iPod) or passivly (watch TV or a movie, go to a hockey game, play a video game). Since music is such a huge part of our cultural experience, it's important that kids have a basic understanding of what it is and how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 Here lesson #1 Aspects of Music_1.1.pdf for you-all's music education: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 not if you feel that way with the Africa situation...now you need to pack, reup your heavy equipment cert AND get a BA -- whew it's going to be a busy day for you -- you probably better log off...for the children okay okay, I promise to make the next Bread For Life tv-spot for the ICRC for one-third the royalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paulz Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 I like it because it reflects a number of skills, some of which are pretty abstract and gives pupil feedback in a couple of intuitive (and relatively easy to digest) ways. As an example -- composition through performance of a piece is, well, can be a product lifecycle.you compose - that's researchyou orchestrate/arrange - that's development --the engineering dealing with the 'ideal' or abstract and putting it into operation in imperfect and/or contexts with limits like limited ranges of voices and instruments or harmonic clashing -- even different specs like baroque vs modern tunings...all kinds of stuffOh, then you have rehearsal (which can be tricky especially with ensembles) so you have production and the overhead you can have there...unanticipated difficulties and workarounds -- in architecture you have two kinds of plans, the design plans and the 'as built' this guy is having trouble, this other guy is slacking, the schedule is slipping, the percussion keeps playing while people are tuning, the horns have a problem with their parts...you name itThen there's roll out - the performance - with all that comes with, from how presentation works to dealing with the remaining imperfection, to dealing with critique to just general {censored} management on the fly and the results of the experiment comes out in a kinesthetic form as you play the piece in audio as you listen to the piece, in social form as you see audience reaction and learn to navigate the internal workings of an ensemble. so it's can work like the old Neil Stephenson thing "The human mind can absorb and process an incredible amount of information - if it comes in the right format. the right interface. If you put the right face on it" just an example, there's a lot more to learn in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paulz Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 okay okay, I promise to make the next Bread For Life tv-spot for the ICRC for one-third the royalties. No time for that! you've got a BA to get, packing to do and heavy equipment to get your cert current on!for the children Rudy -- log off now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bp Posted February 7, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 Angelo shows that an education can't solve everything. Back to world hunger..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 No time for that! you've got a BA to get, packing to do and heavy equipment to get your cert current on!for the children Rudy -- log off now! that's it FOR THE CHILDREN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paulz Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 that's itFOR THE CHILDREN exactly!! - log off now rudy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bp Posted February 7, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 Getting back to the subject, anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members paulz Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 kind of to tie together the cultural aspect and interdisciplinary study opportunities i guess - the study of music offers a neat environment and examples, maybe a lens to give context to other studiesMusical temperament is a classic mathematical product-of-primes problem, sounds (esp musical sounds as they have organization, so are easier to parse) can be a good and seductive way to give context to processes like Fourier analysispolitically we've got anthems, slave music - and bans and sanctions on various formsculturally weve got everything from drinking songs to funeral dirges and dance musicwhat types of instruments were developed can be indicative of certain anthropological constraints...nomadic cultures are not going to develop large organs and such The list could just go on and on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bp Posted February 7, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 Thanks for the posts paulz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MadCapLaughs Posted February 7, 2010 Members Share Posted February 7, 2010 Because music is not only pervasive in our culture, it is pervasive in ALL cultures, and a fundamental, defining trait of our species. It makes life worth while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted February 8, 2010 Members Share Posted February 8, 2010 Silence was the biggest musical inspiration for me so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rasputin1963 Posted February 8, 2010 Members Share Posted February 8, 2010 well, assuming that there will always be a contingent of human population who are poverty-stricken: Music fleshes out, gives depth and dimension and flexibility to the human character. Right now, with less music and art available, we are teaching kids that the purpose of being alive is to count money and shuffle papers. Under the pretext of "preparing youngsters for the unique demands of future society". No wonder we have a skyrocketing teenage suicide rate. I can't think of a human fate more dull, producing a more boring human.... I've known me some real dull Texas, New York, South African and California millionaires, I'm tellin' ya... I suspect that the quality of pop music will improve as we have generations of kids who've studied music. Listen to a 1940's Big Band arrangement.... listen to how musically complex is the horn arrangement......then consider that this was the pop music American teens were listening to at the time... HUhnGNHQEFA&feature=related There is this.....free-floating feeling or assumption.... that somehow Tonality (Western harmony and Melody) is dead, that its possibilities have somehow become exhausted. Or that the pace of life has become too fast for it. I just don't believe it, and don't want today's pop music to move into just jungly drumbeats with little real melody or harmony attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vikram1248 Posted February 8, 2010 Members Share Posted February 8, 2010 I had a 14 years experience in music profession in classical Music as well as 4 years in western music,I had taken a lead in this field and became a tuter,believe me friends this profession is really hapenning,Music is a bridze between two hearts it is the link between two strangers.So go ahead and spread the knowlwdge of music and teach love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted February 8, 2010 Members Share Posted February 8, 2010 Improved and more widespread music education reduces the demand for the bubblegum pop that has driven Rudolf insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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