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  • I Have Sonar X1 Up and Running Here...

    Any questions? I'm running it as a 64-bit app.

    Just finishing my first X1-oriented Sonar column for Sound on Sound. I could just spew verbiage about it, but I figure maybe there are questions that should be addressed first.
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  • #2
    Um... how's it sound?

    (I really have no questions, but I thought I'd get the ball rolling)
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    • #3
      I know you have seen cakewalk evolve over time. The UI is a big overhaul from what a gather. How much more friendlier and intuitive would you say this is over 8.5. Thanks.

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      • #4
        What does it do that the previous version doesn't do? How could any program be less friendly than Sonar? What's important? It'll probably be another 5 years before I have a computer that can take advantage of 64-bit processing, so that doesn't matter to me. Heck, I'll probably be dead before I care.
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        • #5
          What do you think of the new 'Pro Channel' as compared to the Vintage channel or just the Sonitus plugs?

          Is it way easier to get around in than the 8.5.3 version?

          Would you recommend it to singer/songwriter types who play all the instruments and just do one part at a time?
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          • #6
            Craig - I've got a UAD-1 card which seems to give Sonar 8 (64-bit) fits sometimes...I even get bluescreened with some frequency. (Win7 on an i7 machine)

            Have you tried any UAD-1 cards with X1? Any issues noted?

            nat whilk ii

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            • #7
              I know you have seen cakewalk evolve over time. The UI is a big overhaul from what a gather. How much more friendlier and intuitive would you say this is over 8.5. Thanks.


              It is a big overhaul. The way I'd describe it is like this.

              Sonar has added many features over the years, and sometimes they felt tacked on ("I guess we'll add it on to this menu here"). That didn't make it difficult to use, but for example, there were several different places you needed to go to set up all the preferences.

              It seems with X1 the main object was to make all those changes seem like they'd been included from the ground floor. The way that you can hide, dock, collapse, and expand makes the program "scalable" for different displays - its useable on a laptop, but really works great with a dual monitor display.

              Overall I like all the UI changes, particularly because they weren't hard to figure out. The one exception is that they've eliminated all toolbars and consolidated them in a master "Control Bar." In some ways it's very cool, it's modular and you can determine exactly what you do and don't want to have at your fingertips. But you can't float the individual modules, and the Control Bar takes up more height than what I had before - thanks to the user customizable toolbar they had in 8.5, I had 90% of what I needed in a thin, single-icon strip along the top.

              Aside from that, the UI is a whole lot cleaner and although things aren't always where you expect them to be based on using previous versions, they ARE where they should have been all along
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              • #8
                What does it do that the previous version doesn't do?


                Really good channel strip
                Very browser/drag and drop oriented - less loading via menus and navigation
                The inspector is much more evolved, you can do a huge amount of tasks from the inspector without having to go to different windows or menus - they also copped the dual fader architecture from Logic, which I really like
                Mini-menus on windows put functions related to a window in the window rather than having to go to a menu or toolbar

                How could any program be less friendly than Sonar?


                I've always thought Sonar was pretty friendly. The word I'd apply to Sonar X1 is refined.

                It'll probably be another 5 years before I have a computer that can take advantage of 64-bit processing, so that doesn't matter to me. Heck, I'll probably be dead before I care.


                If you use virtual instruments that load lots of samples in RAM, 64-bits is a Godsend. Using Electri6ity in XP is possible albeit compromised, but with 64 bits, it's enjoyable.
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                • #9
                  What do you think of the new 'Pro Channel' as compared to the Vintage channel or just the Sonitus plugs?


                  Way better than the Sonitus plugs. The Vintage Channel is kind of a special case, as it's more of a "character" plug-in. ProChannel is more neutral than the Vintage Channel, but overall, I think it's one of the strongest features in X1. I don't feel like I have to use other plug-ins to get the sound I want. The dynamics are even good. Cakewalk did their homework on this one.

                  Is it way easier to get around in than the 8.5.3 version?


                  Yes, BUT only once you've learned it, and done things like set up screen sets to take advantage of the layout options. There are some things that initially struck me as WTF but made sense later on. For example, the Synth Rack, when docked to the left or right to take up minimal space, doesn't show several elements the old synth rack does. But if you stick it in the multidock (another cool feature, like the tabbed views in Sonar 8.5 but better implemented), then the program assumes you want to see a more detailed view, and provides it.

                  I also dig that you can do most functions with a single tool based on context. I never liked having to switch back and forth among draw, select, etc.

                  Would you recommend it to singer/songwriter types who play all the instruments and just do one part at a time?


                  I don't think Sonar has any particular mojo that makes it ideal for that application, but I don't think any other program really does, either. Certainly you can customize Sonar to be tweaked for what you want to do, and the Inspector would be a great help, but other programs can provide similar functionality.
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                  • #10
                    Craig - I've got a UAD-1 card which seems to give Sonar 8 (64-bit) fits sometimes...I even get bluescreened with some frequency. (Win7 on an i7 machine)

                    Have you tried any UAD-1 cards with X1? Any issues noted?

                    nat whilk ii


                    I have not used the UAD cards with 64-bit systems, only with XP. I have a removable system drive, and install Sonar on both XP and Vista-64 bit. The Vista-64 drive has only Sonar X1 and 64-bit Vegas. When I want to use lots of other stuff, I boot into XP.
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                    • #11
                      C.A.: What are the specs on your current computer and does it handle the X1 without a problem? Based on my machine, I don't have the strength to handle X1, according to what they have listed on the Cakewalk website (Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.67 GHz/AMD Phenom Quad Core 9750 2.4 Ghz). Wondering if it will run on less than they have listed. Thanks...BB
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                      • #12

                        I've always thought Sonar was pretty friendly. The word I'd apply to Sonar X1 is refined.

                        I think that what I wrote came out backwards. I, too, think that Sonar is very friendly and was wondering how they could make it more friendly. That's all.

                        I hardly know how to play real instruments, much less virtual ones. But putting configuration things where they make sense is always a good move. I wish they wouldn't use terms like "inspector" though. That never clicked with me, so I don't usually think of clicking on it.
                        ProChannel is more neutral than the Vintage Channel, but overall, I think it's one of the strongest features in X1. I don't feel like I have to use other plug-ins to get the sound I want. The dynamics are even good. Cakewalk did their homework on this one.

                        This is a very good thing, and one that I think that all DAW manufacturers should aim for. But to go along with this, the users need to get over the "I need more flexibility so I need more plug-ins" thing and learn to use what the manufacturer gave them. I have a few outboard compressors and reverbs because those are functions that my console simply doesn't have. But I have only one outboard EQ because I'm perfectly happy with the one that Mr. Soundcraft gave me. I don't think I'll necessarily make better mixes with a Neve or API equalizer plug-in, it'll just take me longer to decide when to stop fooling around.
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                        • #13
                          I been using Cakewalk products as my main daw dating back to Cakewalk 7&8 and you're right about them tacking on new features as they upgraded, in fact some of the tools date back to their original versions.

                          I have one specific question about the Envelope tool. Its GUI has never changed and is just as glitchey and hard to use with a skinney pencil tool for writing volume envelopes and having no memory of the previous setting when you open it in any of the older versions which sucks. Its probibly the only gripe I have because I mainly use it to create silence between say vocal parts to eliminate noise. I'll use track view and use it to create an envelope based on highlighting the waveform and using guesswork creating the proper slope. The tool has no ruler marks and if you get it wrong, you have to undo the envelope and guess again where the best slope might be.

                          If the tool had memory of the last setting when you reopened it, or the ability to save the setting, or at least a ruler marking, it would be a godsend for fine editing.

                          So after that long explanation, has any improvement been made to the envelope tool? That tool alone would make the difference between eventually upgrading or just sticking with version 8.


                          Oh and the biggest question for Sonar users would be is, has the CPU memory allocation for plugins improved. It's one of the areas where Sonar falls way behind the competition.

                          I've seen the results of tests done with other programs plugging in multiple instances of a plugin to see how many could be run and frankly, Programs like Reaper blew the doors off Sonar in that catagory.

                          I'm sure improvemts there would also be a huge deciding factor for most current users. GUI changes are one thing. Most users can even deal with older tools and such. They been doing that and prefering not to have to completely retrain to do the same ald thing. Having better performance for the same hardware is something worth thinking about.

                          The rest is mostly fluff I can live with or without. Spending bucks to learn a new GUI is not worth the money, OIts simply a wow factor and can maybe save a littel time mixing and editing. If the only really new features besides the GUI are one or two new plugins, then I'd likely have to pass cause I'd likely be paying full price of the program for those two plugins only, and that doesnt get me there.

                          I realize there are deals for upgrading if you buy Sonar 8 now but theres nothing for the faithful users who got the program when it first came out. To me thats screwing the main customer base you want to keep. If anything, those people have made the company paying for upgrade after upgrade and the ones who should get a break on upgrade costs. I dont know of any business whose loyal customers dont get the best breaks, because its the easiest business to turn over because you dont have to convince them its a good product.

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                          • #14
                            I realize there are deals for upgrading if you buy Sonar 8 now but theres nothing for the faithful users who got the program when it first came out. To me thats screwing the main customer base you want to keep. If anything, those people have made the company paying for upgrade after upgrade and the ones who should get a break on upgrade costs.
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                              • #15
                                [QUOTE=Alndln2;41584394]They do.


                                  Seems to me that being able to upgrade from Sonar 1 to X1 for $199 is a pretty good deal.
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