Members rasputin1963 Posted May 21, 2012 Members Share Posted May 21, 2012 Hey gang, Have you played around with iZotope's latest offering, a synth called IRIS? It uses the "wave hybrid" concept first seen in Camel CAMELEON, along with the "draw-directly-upon-the-spectrogram" concept first seen in Adobe AUDITION. The result is a very interesting new way to create sounds "never before heard by human ears". Say a patch that is a "grand piano + water gurgling + woman humming". You decide--- draw in--- what sonic features of each of those WAV's you wish to contribute to the sound over the period of its envelope... in stereo... distributed over your keys. Naturally the synth offers a good deal of onboard post FX to doctor up the sound. I really like the GUI... with little auto-hide panels on each of the four sides, it's very intuitive to use from the moment you open it.... which means the learning curve is very small indeed. A fun little toy. They offer demos of it at the site. I notice horror movie soundtracks use sounds like these often... when they want to convey the idea of "people in hell". [video=youtube;VzUxOojmoiY] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Geoff Grace Posted May 21, 2012 Members Share Posted May 21, 2012 I haven't tried it yet; but the product has a real buzz in the community, that's for sure. Thanks for the YouTube video, rasputin. Best, Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rasputin1963 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 21, 2012 Now here's something I wonder about, with the IRIS (and other apps where you draw directly onto your spectrogram with a stylus). How is it we're not getting some ugly audio artifacts when the FFT spectrogram is sliced-and-diced? [ATTACH=CONFIG]345634[/ATTACH] For example, in this attached photo, a waveform has been drawn upon with an eraser... erasing a blank path through the waveform. The resulting patch sounds smooth, pleasant, "musical". But if you were to, let's say, notch out those regions with a parametric equalizer, you'd be liable to get some ugly chirping or sibilance, necessitating an adjustment of your Q-slope. I just wonder how drawing and erasing upon this spectrogram/WAV sounds so smooth and "musical". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anderton Posted May 26, 2012 Members Share Posted May 26, 2012 I'll find out soon....just downloaded it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rasputin1963 Posted May 26, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 26, 2012 I'll find out soon....just downloaded it As I mentioned, Craig, you'll find it's easy... to assemble a patch which you might call "Damned Souls In Hell". I mixed 1). Woman moaning with 2). Dentist drill with 3). Sea lions barking The result, if you play a low note? A very good "Damned Souls In Hell" patch. On a serious note, I am intrigued with the "Magic Wand" feature... You click a particular frequency "smudge" on your FFT Spectrogram, and the wand is a "smart" feature which knows how to select the overtones pertaining to your initial mouseclick. Let us know what sounds you come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Huh? Posted May 27, 2012 Members Share Posted May 27, 2012 I have it. I have not played with it much in the little more than 2 weeks that I have had it. It has some interesting patches....... and granted I have not played around with the deep editing, you know if it is Izotope it is deep...and good........ but the patches I have dicked with so far.....are not really feel good like say the patches in Omnisphere. What intrigues me about this is the idea of recording your own sounds and importing them for editing. When I am on location we go into some insane environments for sound and noise. I want to get a Zoom or whatever to capture some of these. I think Iris will work phenomenally as a sound sculpting/design tool. I wanted to get the extra two libraries but ended up being so undecided about Iris itself that I did not. I also wanted to get it while it was $100 off the regular price. Yeah the wand feature is like the lasso/wand tools in Photoshop isn't it? The sample is presented in the UI and you can set loop points anywhere within that. Then you can select a portion of it. With the lasso thingy you can grab say a blob shape or an hourglass shape...any shape and it will play the frequencies within that shape and the outer edges of the sahpe are kinda the lopp points. So the cursor goes along as it plays, in the timeline...and when it gets to the other edge.....it bops back to the beginning. Very cool. RX2 has that wand feature as well, for selecting noisy parts for cleaning up, in an audio spectrogram. That is one of the best pieces of software I have ever bought. Very powerful. Ozone 5, which I have had since v3....rounds out my Izotope software other than the free Vinyl. I really wanted to get Nectar while it was on sale but I hesitated pulling the trigger and the offer was over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ed A. Posted May 27, 2012 Members Share Posted May 27, 2012 but the patches I have dicked with so far.....are not really feel good like say the patches in Omnisphere.What intrigues me about this is the idea of recording your own sounds and importing them for editing. When I am on location we go into some insane environments for sound and noise. I want to get a Zoom or whatever to capture some of these.I think Iris will work phenomenally as a sound sculpting/design tool. I agree that the presets don't show the capabilities of IRIS very well, better to use it as an experimental sound design tool instead of a soft synth IMO.IRIS reminds me a lot of U&I Software's MetaSynth. Unfortunately, as slick as MetaSynth is, it is near impossible to get usable, predictable results from it, other than just by random. I'm seeing a similar problem with IRIS, the graphical interface doesn't really give you a practical idea of what a sound will actually sound like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted May 27, 2012 Members Share Posted May 27, 2012 I rather automate whatever EQ instead of using this new Iris. Fiddled around with that Iris VSTi - this tool makes no sense, because it is limited to the few things it is capable of, for example the filters can not be synchronized with tempo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rasputin1963 Posted May 27, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 27, 2012 I rather automate whatever EQ instead of using this new Iris. Fiddled around with that Iris VSTi - this tool makes no sense, because it is limited to the few things it is capable of, for example the filters can not be synchronized with tempo. It also does not appear that one can apply the LFO to Filter Cutoff... something I would've thought was "basic". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted May 27, 2012 Members Share Posted May 27, 2012 the tool as such is a good idea, but after 30 minutes fiddling around with it I had to say lets continue making such filter effects "by hand" and not with an Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mcmike100 Posted May 28, 2012 Members Share Posted May 28, 2012 Back in the mid 90's Steve Berkley (founder of Peak software) developed a program called QuickMQ. It worked in conjunction with a program called Lemur, that did spectral analysis and sinusoidal resynthesis. You could select different frequency ranges like on IRIS, but without all the tools for selection that IRIS has. What Quick MQ did have was exactly what I would like to see in a program like IRIS: convolution, deconvolution, spectrum mix, granular desynthesis, brightening, harmonic rotation, and others. There were two main limitations with QuickMQ-it wasn't real-time and it wasn't stable. When I first read about IRIS, I thought this would be a great new spectral tool. After further examination, while it has it's uses, I'd like to see more. How about FM from one spectral region of a sample to another? Or convolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deanmass Posted May 28, 2012 Members Share Posted May 28, 2012 Isn't the Lemur a piece of synthesis hardware now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mcmike100 Posted May 28, 2012 Members Share Posted May 28, 2012 The new Lemur is totally different. Back then, Lemur was a Mac program, non-realtime. You can get the thesis for it at: http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/Loris/ICMC95/TimbreManipulationTool.html. Back then, I was a product manager at Digidesign, and was constantly looking for interesting programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chevybusa Posted May 28, 2012 Members Share Posted May 28, 2012 Man that is cool as hell I'd love to add it to my DAW, unfortunately I'm broke as hell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bookumdano2 Posted May 28, 2012 Members Share Posted May 28, 2012 So, is the Photosounder program that's been around for a few years pretty much the same thing as Iris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rasputin1963 Posted May 31, 2012 Author Members Share Posted May 31, 2012 Photosounder does not have MIDI input... IRIS does.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Thamel Posted July 26, 2012 Members Share Posted July 26, 2012 I just read this review: http://en.audiofanzine.com/other-virtual-synth/izotope/iris/editorial/reviews/your-beck-and-call.html got lots of sound samples too... I gotta check this out in the flesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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