Members A. Einstein Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 .. lead vocals something which has the sound quality of Neumanns but cost at least 1000% less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author MikeRivers Posted July 28, 2012 CMS Author Share Posted July 28, 2012 Oh, then you want a Neumann KSM0.000105. Until they make that, maybe you can find a good deal on some used EV RE-16s. The Rode S1 is kind of a poor man's KSM105, but that's "kind of poor" - they're about $300 unless you can find a good deal on a used one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted July 28, 2012 Moderators Share Posted July 28, 2012 Though I haven't had a chance to use one in a professional setting, from what I heard on the floor at NAMM with phones, admittedly not a great test, but still... this thing sounds wonderful. http://www.mojaveaudio.com/MA-200.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bookumdano2 Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 .. lead vocalssomething which has the sound quality of Neumanns but cost at least 1000% less What mics do you already have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted July 28, 2012 Author Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 What mics do you already have? I have none of the newer microphones which came on the market in the last 30 years - all my microphones are older Neumanns. I want some new ones, I somehow believe there must be some great new microphones which recently, so in the last 10 years, came to the market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Extreme Mixing Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 .. lead vocalssomething which has the sound quality of Neumanns but cost at least 1000% less For about $50 you can get an MCA SP1. It's a surprisingly good mic and sounds a lot like a C 414. I have also heard good things about the Mojave mic, too. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted July 28, 2012 Author Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 http://www.mojaveaudio.com/MA-200.html interesting... and they have some demos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted July 28, 2012 Author Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 For about $50 you can get an MCA SP1. It's a surprisingly good mic and sounds a lot like a C 414. I have also heard good things about the Mojave mic, too.Steve ha, also thought there even mics below 100 bucks with a good sound, one only has to know which ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author MikeRivers Posted July 28, 2012 CMS Author Share Posted July 28, 2012 When you said "vocal microphones" I thought you meant for live performance. Everything else is just a microphone, including microphones that are used in the studio for vocals, as well as other things. I don't think I have any studio mics that I use just for vocals, but I know that a lot of people associate a certain look and large condenser capsule with "vocal mic" in the studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted July 28, 2012 Moderators Share Posted July 28, 2012 When you said "vocal microphones" I thought you meant for live performance. Everything else is just a microphone, including microphones that are used in the studio for vocals, as well as other things. I don't think I have any studio mics that I use just for vocals, but I know that a lot of people associate a certain look and large condenser capsule with "vocal mic" in the studio. Semantics. The guy is looking for a mic to be used on vocals. Some mics do in fact excel on lead vocal duty and are designed with that in mind to a large degree. The fact that it can be used on other things is not his concern as far as I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted July 28, 2012 Author Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 Mike, no mic for live events. I want at least one excellent new microphone for use at home, a mic which captures any kind of vocalist in pleasant sonics, and this mic should not cost $7000, it should cost as less as possible, so in the price range from $100 to $500 I am aware that some mics by their nature capture a more pleasant sound - that must be the same with the newer microphone model which hit the market in recent years. I am aware that the sonic difference is often minimal between an expensive $7000 microphone and some of the $300 to $500 microphone brands & models, at least theoreticallly I believe it is that way It is difficult to make a sure choice by all those new microphone brands and models available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author MikeRivers Posted July 28, 2012 CMS Author Share Posted July 28, 2012 I want at least one excellent new microphone for use at home, a mic which captures any kind of vocalist in pleasant sonics, and this mic should not cost $7000, it should cost as less as possible, so in the price range from $100 to $500 OK, that's a reasonable price range. I have a lot of mics, and usually the first one I get out for a male vocalist is a Neumann U87. If it's a female vocalist, though, I'll try an AKG C-414 first. Sometimes the first guess works fine, sometimes, I'll listen and decide to try another. While I've often recorded vocals with the first mic I've tried, I don't think I have any mic that would be best for any vocalist, because voices are all different, and songs are all different. But a particular microphone always sounds like that particular microphone. I've used a Newmann KM-84 with a good pop screen for vocals, but tha'ts usually my go-to mic for guitars. I've had excellent vocals from bluegrass bands that play and sing around a single mic using my Studio Projects LSD-2 (the stereo version of the C3). I've used that one not because I thought it would be best, but because it looks more like the kind of mic these people want to sing into than anything else that I have. That makes them feel good, and when they feel good, they sing good. I wouldn't mind using Sennheiser 414s as a first choice on any vocal, but that doesn't look one bit like a vocal mic. You need to consider the psychoacoustics of it all. For a singer who sings best when hand holding a mic and is accustomed to an SM-58, you'll get a better track giving him an SM-58 than to have him stand in front of a U87. If you're willing to spend up to $500, don't try to get a $500 mic that will sound great on every singer, but maybe get two or three mics, and check the used market. As far as new mics are concerned, the Mojave line is a good buy, as is Studio Projects. You might like their C3, but I see it's now discontinued (though they still make the LSD2, the stereo mic with two C3 capsules). The C1 is a similar design but a fixed cardioid pattern that would probably work well. And it's hard to beat an EV RE-20 (how could I forget that?) Don't get snockered into the the "tube microphone" craze. If you really want a tube, get it in the front end of a preamp. It is difficult to make a sure choice by all those new microphone brands and models available. It's also difficult to make a choice among all the models that people will recommend, many of which they've never used themselves, but the ad copy looks good or the trade show demo sounded sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tim Mayock Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 .. lead vocalssomething which has the sound quality of Neumanns but cost at least 1000% less It sounds like you want colors, if you have Neumanns, I have the HEIL PR-40 might be cool but it is $325 new technology and not a RE-20 clone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mark L Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 Behringer C3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peanutroad Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 Behringer C3 I have a couple of those. Cool little mikes -- especially for the price -- but not exactly my first choice for a vocal microphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mark L Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 I have a couple of those. Cool little mikes -- especially for the price -- but not exactly my first choice for a vocal microphone. Nor mine, really. But I'm skint at the moment, so one has to use what one can afford... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted July 28, 2012 Author Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 Color, or not color is difficult to judge, even with the microphones I have. In the last month I recorded all female vocalists with a Neumann TLM170, sounds very good. I only produce female artists, only about four times a male artist in the last 30 years, and in the next months to come all female singers. Decades ago we often tested the new mics right simultaneously with what we where using usually with singers. Today it is different, I only go to the studio when I have to record something which I can't do at home. sweetwater.com has dozens of cool looking mics, but talking to a sales manager you hear only nonsense. I appreciate that you guy post what particula mic you actually use of this newer mics, and a short desciption of what you think of that microphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tim Mayock Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 the Heil has not do well for the fairer sex. I would say fathead if you don't already have one. I would also go high on the budget and get a powered one. but i don't have the powered one so i can't give empirical advice. I love my fathead regular, I have beyers m-160 and m130 they work at times for vocals, but the fathead is more popular for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bookumdano2 Posted July 28, 2012 Members Share Posted July 28, 2012 I only produce female artists. I'd use an sm7b if any of them have a sarah mclachlin type sonic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted July 29, 2012 Author Members Share Posted July 29, 2012 I would say fatheadif you don't already have one. that fathead looks cool ! No artist with similar timbre as Sarah McLachlan. But the artists in the next few weeks all tranfigured romantic pop... however right now a 16 year old R&B singer from Miami in the timbral region of Alicia Keys, or Beyonc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peanutroad Posted July 29, 2012 Members Share Posted July 29, 2012 My newest favorite cheap microphone for vocals is the Cad M9. Not at all in Neumann territory, sound-wise; if I had to compare it to a (relatively) expensive mike it would be the AT4060. The price has been dropped and I'm seeing them for $220 to 250 US new. Lovely on nylon strings, too -- my go-to ukulele mike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted July 29, 2012 Author Members Share Posted July 29, 2012 here the young singer in work right now, recorded in my office with a TLM170 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted July 29, 2012 Author Members Share Posted July 29, 2012 My newest favorite cheap microphone for vocals is the Cad M9. Not at all in Neumann territory, sound-wise; if I had to compare it to a (relatively) expensive mike it would be the AT4060. The price has been dropped and I'm seeing them for $220 to 250 US new.Lovely on nylon strings, too -- my go-to ukulele mike! the mentioning of Neumann was only meant as reference of what I used so far, ---> but the idea is that I want to discover new possibilities with newer microphone - it is also a money thing because I may equip two new studios at the places I work most, and want to check alternatives price wise, excellent new mics which don't cost a fortune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members A. Einstein Posted July 29, 2012 Author Members Share Posted July 29, 2012 btw, this is an interesting blindfold test of 5 of the best microphones: Neumann U67 Bruce Swedien No.1 NU-49 (prototype) Neumann U47 NU-47 http://www.nu47.com/ Sounds > Various high end mics compared (female vocal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members electrochrisso Posted July 29, 2012 Members Share Posted July 29, 2012 here the young singer in work right now, recorded in my office with a TLM170 She is a good singer, not sure if it is the mic or the mixing, but her voice does not sound full bodied enough to me, a bit thin, the mic might not have enough bass to mid response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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