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  • I pulled my Music page from Facebook.....

    What's the point since they began charging for people to be able to see your posts. The sooner that site dies the better in my opinion....



    I have a hate, tollerate relationship with FB and have deleted my own personal account 3 times only to start a new one. The primary reason is that people don't seem to want to communicate any other way and for songwriting stuff, rounds etc it's all done via Facebook..much to my chagrin..Anyone else feel the same?

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    Can people see the comments that you post on your personal Facebook pages ?
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    • #3
      Yep FB's objective is to set itself up as the primary means for the world to communicate, then charge for it. No doubt they will eventually tax private messages as well.



      Best bet for now is to double down on your twitter strategy
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      • #4
        I think Facebook is becoming way more important than it should ever need to be.
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        • #5






          Quote Originally Posted by techristian
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          Can people see the comments that you post on your personal Facebook pages ?




          It all depends on how you have your privacy settings set. And, of course, how your friends have their filter settings set. People who post a lot of personal promo (or political stuff or... ) probably get filtered out by their long suffering friends.



          The pay-to-be-seen issue that Sean is referring to is a priority placement that you can pay for.



          I don't know how much impact it has had so far, but in the future it might be that regular content is crowded out by paid content.
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          • #6
            I left FB last week. Everything -- profile and pages -- and it is permanent this time (like Sean, I've made previous attempts at breaking the addiction). It just doesn't seem worth the effort. Aside from the question as to whether anyone is actually going to see ones posts, I've always been bothered by the fact that it is somewhat of a closed system. I want my stuff to be readily found and read by anyone, whether a member of Face Book or not. Folks can Google me and find my site, my blogs, etc, so who needs FB?

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            • #7
              Facebook's goal is to make the news feed a new kind of TV, where in order to get seen you have to pay for eyeballs. But anybody who invested in building up their fan page just got punked. (Including the big guys)
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              • #8
                Yah, I don't find it too surprising that they are charging people to advertise on their platform.



                There are a lot of things that I don't like about FB, and there are a lot of really troubling issues ranging from general privacy issues to how "engineered" the experience is for a system that seems to just be a bunch of comment streams.



                But Facebook is not all that different (and is a big step up) from services like AOL, Hotmail, CompuServe, Prodigy... the older systems that let people who aren't as tech savvy congregate and use the internet to share information. There are a ton of other serves that are similar which have come and gone (check out my livejournal!), and FB isn't any different.



                However, there is a lot of value in that congregation of people, and -of course- they are going to try and leverage that to create revenue.



                And here's one better: if you didn't find value in that community, then why would you want to use it for marketing to begin with? It might not be worth as much as they are charging to hit eyeballs (in fact, it might have never been a cost effective marketing tool), but it does have a community and targeting a message to that community has value for a lot of folks.



                Perhaps if you feel that you are "part of" the community because you create content for it and because people "want" to hear your marketing message you might feel like you're getting screwed, but to be blunt, if you're marketing... you're marketing.



                I don't care if you're selling pepsi, farmville, or your band, you're still interjecting markting info into Facebook streams and it isn't surprising that they not only control that access but charge for that access.
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                • #9
                  They've been offering to advertise your posts for a while, so I'm not sure why this is suddenly an issue.



                  I'm really enjoying the interaction I have with other good photographers from all over the world, so I love it personally.
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                  • #10






                    Quote Originally Posted by scarecrowbob
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                    Yah, I don't find it too surprising that they are charging people to advertise on their platform.



                    There are a lot of things that I don't like about FB, and there are a lot of really troubling issues ranging from general privacy issues to how "engineered" the experience is for a system that seems to just be a bunch of comment streams.



                    But Facebook is not all that different (and is a big step up) from services like AOL, Hotmail, CompuServe, Prodigy... the older systems that let people who aren't as tech savvy congregate and use the internet to share information. There are a ton of other serves that are similar which have come and gone (check out my livejournal!), and FB isn't any different.



                    However, there is a lot of value in that congregation of people, and -of course- they are going to try and leverage that to create revenue.



                    And here's one better: if you didn't find value in that community, then why would you want to use it for marketing to begin with? It might not be worth as much as they are charging to hit eyeballs (in fact, it might have never been a cost effective marketing tool), but it does have a community and targeting a message to that community has value for a lot of folks.



                    Perhaps if you feel that you are "part of" the community because you create content for it and because people "want" to hear your marketing message you might feel like you're getting screwed, but to be blunt, if you're marketing... you're marketing.



                    I don't care if you're selling pepsi, farmville, or your band, you're still interjecting markting info into Facebook streams and it isn't surprising that they not only control that access but charge for that access.




                    Well observed.



                    FB is, in a sense, merely one of the most recent in a long line of social wrappers for the internet. It didn't escape my attention that FB rose in popularity around the same time in the mid-late 2000s when email was becoming an increasingly perilous (and just plain spammed up) mode of communication for the unwary/unsavvy. And its embrace of 'micro-blogging' gave those who might not have enough steady content to sustain a full blog or whose content was simply of such narrow interest -- or of a personal nature -- that putting it in front of an audience comprised of friends and relatives just made sense.
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                    • #11






                      Quote Originally Posted by peanutroad
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                      I've always been bothered by the fact that it is somewhat of a closed system.




                      I heard a lot about Facebook and what a great site it was so I thought I'd check it out. My thought was I'd just browse around for a while to see if I liked it. If I liked it enough I might decide to sign up for an account.



                      This is what I saw:

                      http://www.facebook.com/

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                      • #12






                        Quote Originally Posted by UstadKhanAli
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                        They've been offering to advertise your posts for a while, so I'm not sure why this is suddenly an issue.






                        They have gotten a lot more agressive in how they sculpt the UX-- they cut out a lot of content that previously was there and they add a lot of paid content that previously was absent.



                        There are two problems with this. From the casual user side, it's starting to fail a kind of Turing test: it seems like there are more ads, and that makes everything seem like an ad. People have a much higher tolerance for "content", even if the content is really a marketing message. "Ads" are almost always either tuned out or seen as annoying, whereas the marketing that they are used to on facebook ( 'like this cute kitten, and now you're getting our product updates'-- which most people can turn off) was a lot more subtle.



                        The second problem is from the marketers side.



                        Previously, you could get a lot of visibility on people's pages with the main cost being the community management. You can still get some traction in that direction, but as it has been explained to me you have to game it a lot more heavily in order to get your content out in front of people.



                        There are a couple of ways to look at that: if you're a marketer (and in this segment, let's be clear that I'm talking about folks marketing their band or music or whatever small business products) it's frustrating because it messes with your program and increases your overhead... but if your FB you're just upping the price to play the game, and I suspect that they have little problem losing a bunch of non-paying marketers in order to create a revenue stream from "real" (i.e. people with budgets) marketers.
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                        • #13






                          Quote Originally Posted by scarecrowbob
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                          They have gotten a lot more agressive in how they sculpt the UX-- they cut out a lot of content that previously was there and they add a lot of paid content that previously was absent.




                          Jeeez, I didn't know that...never noticed that. And pardon my ignorance, but what's "UX"?



                          FB is effed up in a lot of ways, that's for sure. I just really enjoy it, especially since I've begun interacting on several pages and interacting with other photographers. It's such an easy way to share photos and discuss techniques that I've been having so much fun. I just hope that FB doesn't ruin that enjoyment. Between that and LinkedIn, I've met and interacted with so many talented professional photographers, and it's been overwhelmingly positive (i.e., almost no meatheads or aggressive spammers).
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                            Jeeez, I didn't know that...never noticed that. And pardon my ignorance, but what's "UX"?



                            I like FB, too... I work from home, and it is a lot of my day to day socializing... and as much as people like to hate on it it can be a really nice service-- which is why it has such a massive user base.



                            UX is User Experience: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_experience



                            In this case, what I am referring to is that basically, FB amplifies stuff that gets likes and hide stuff that doesn't get attention, which seems like a sane thing as it kills a bunch of noise.



                            But this lack of "noise"... or difference between what people are actually posting and what you see... isn't something people can experience first hand, because you simply can't know what you missed because of inattention or what was hidden by facebook. However, you can have the experience of feeling like there are a lot more unwanted ads... seriously, I don't need FB to tell me that my friends like a certain brand of bottled water and that ad in the feed does read, even to people half-asleep, as advertising.



                            The effect, though is that most of your "friends" don't see many of your posts unless the post gets "liked" or you pay to have it shown to a wider audience.



                            Just to see what it was all about, I actually paid to promote one of my posts, and chose one that I thought would get a lot of likes anyhow... it seems very suspicious to me, as they won't tell you (at least for profile posts) how many people saw a post, just what percentage of them were shown it only because FB promoted it... which is around 85%. I suppose that you do get reach and page view statistics on FB "pages," so I will try that out next time I'm feeling curious. But for all I know they could be making up numbers . It's a scam, but historically that isn't strange for advertising.
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                              Quote Originally Posted by sventvkg
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                              What's the point since they began charging for people to be able to see your posts. The sooner that site dies the better in my opinion....



                              I have a hate, tollerate relationship with FB and have deleted my own personal account 3 times only to start a new one. The primary reason is that people don't seem to want to communicate any other way and for songwriting stuff, rounds etc it's all done via Facebook..much to my chagrin..Anyone else feel the same?




                              I've been trying to set up a local add for my studio on Facebook for a month now, but there's some kind of hold on my account related to "unusual payment activity." This is in spite of the fact that I have never paid for a thing on Facebook, nor entered a credit card or done any other kind of transaction. I've sent numerous requests to help from tech support and after a month received nothing back but form emails. If I owned Facebook stock I would sell it all; this is not a company to do business with. Great free service, but forget about paying them for anything. Google, although also far from perfect or even ideal, was at least competent enough to take my money.
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