Members CB3874 Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Hello, How can I add some analog / tube / saturation / warm goodness to my signal chain? Here's my signal chain : Guitar > Apogee Duet 2 In > Guitar Rig 5 (with GTR Ground for midi controller) > Apogee Duet 2 Balance Out > Emotiv Airmotiv 6 monitors ( http://emotivapro.com/products/power.../airmotiv6.php ) It doesn't seem to make sense to put a tube preamp between guitar & interface so should I consider between interface out and my monitors? Should it be a preamp or a poweramp? I don't know the difference? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anderton Posted November 5, 2012 Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Is this just for playing, or do you want to get a particular sound while recording? If the latter, which recording software are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CB3874 Posted November 5, 2012 Author Members Share Posted November 5, 2012 Just for playing. I use Logic 9 with the intention of migrating to Ableton later down the line. The creative well has been dry for a while so I haven't been recording much lately. Instead of using my amp for jams, I would use the outs on my Duet 2 and go into a mixer with the rest of the guys & their Pod HDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author MikeRivers Posted November 6, 2012 CMS Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Get a good guitar amplifier and throw away everything else. And when you want to record, put a mic on the amplifier and plug it into the Duet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted November 6, 2012 Members Share Posted November 6, 2012 Originally Posted by CB3874 Hello,How can I add some analog / tube / saturation / warm goodness to my signal chain? Why, the answer is to use something digital! I guess you can use tape saturation plugins and tube emulation plugins and stuff like that, or get something in the front end that creates harmonic distortion if you must imitate analog instead of, well, using analog, tubes, and tape saturation.Which way do you think works best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kotch Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 I bought myself a Pod HD400 the other day, and was pleasantly surprised by it. That whole "woolly blanket thrown over the speaker" aesthetic you get with the older sims can be programmed right out of it. Instead, you get a "lets simulate annoying ringing microphone resonance" section. So you can use it to make a sound all but indistinguishable from a crappy, old-fashioned mic and tube-amp recording. I think it's going to be my favourite tool for adding a bit of dirt and grime to a guitar recording. Because I still favor external boxes for generating guitar noises. When I use an external amp-sim, I can directly monitor the output, so I don't have to worry about latency in the computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WRGKMC Posted November 7, 2012 Members Share Posted November 7, 2012 I hurt my back recently and sitting in the studio has been real painful so I set up another DAW next to my recliner in the living room. For clean driven guitar I been plugging into a Boss compressor> stere echo unit and recording straight into the DAW. For leads I swap out a marshall Governer pedal into the echo unit. I didnt expect much. I was just writing songs with a drum machine, bass and adding vocals. I cooked up about a dozen songs and took them into the studio to do my final mixing and the results were very good. A few needed to have the lead cranked up a little so I used a guitar drive plugin like Voxengo Boogex. Rythum needed some space so I used some chorus and reverb plugins. I'd say the only thing I wasnt real pleased with were the vocals. I was recording through a behringer mixer and headphones so dialing up a good tone wasnt very easy. I normally use my recording monitors for tracking and dial my sound up live. As far as the guitar tones, the sound quality was good but limited to what the pedals could do. The sound is as good as any miced amp or tube preamp I have. I prefer to use my rack units with speaker emulation for recording direct. I have unlimited tones and effects with those including tube preamp so using this simple pedal method isnt going to replace those better options, but they are effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted November 7, 2012 Moderators Share Posted November 7, 2012 Originally Posted by CB3874 Hello,How can I add some analog / tube / saturation / warm goodness to my signal chain?Here's my signal chain :Guitar > Apogee Duet 2 In > Guitar Rig 5 (with GTR Ground for midi controller) > Apogee Duet 2 Balance Out > Emotiv Airmotiv 6 monitors ( http://emotivapro.com/products/power.../airmotiv6.php )It doesn't seem to make sense to put a tube preamp between guitar & interface so should I consider between interface out and my monitors? Should it be a preamp or a poweramp? I don't know the difference?Thanks! I use Guitar Rig 5 quite bit now myself. I really like hitting it with an excellent analog pedal first. Not to add distortion per se, but for the cool things it does to the transient that don't seem to happen quite right yet in software. So, as much as I really like Guitar Rig 5, playing first through my old Boss CS-2, the old one with 3 knobs, set with minimal compression, it just seems to hit the sim perfectly. Another pedal that works is the Fulltone OCD set to a cleanish setting. That seems to massage the transients just right too. For me, great pedals going in make all the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anderton Posted November 8, 2012 Members Share Posted November 8, 2012 One of the simplest ways to make amp sims sound better is simply to roll off some highs. Guitar cabs don't have a lot of high frequency response.When mastering, sometimes I add a high-cut filter that kicks in around 15kHz. When people here the mastered version, they usually ask if I used an analog signal chain De-essing before guitar sims, and dipping response at 2kHz, can also give a much more organic sound. I've actually kind of specialized in wrestling with amp sims until they sound good, including coming up with a proprietary process for conditioning the guitar signal on the way in to the sim.Sometimes I think "tube goodness" is overrated. With guitar amps, it's the elements that surround the tube - the power amp, input stage, power supply sag, cabinet, guitar cord, etc. - that give the magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kotch Posted November 8, 2012 Members Share Posted November 8, 2012 I do like electric guitar -- it's my instrument of choice, after all. But sometimes I hate how crude and ugly it sounds. Especially when I'm trying to get a good live sound at a gig (where I can't rely on plugins). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted November 9, 2012 Members Share Posted November 9, 2012 Originally Posted by Kotch I do like electric guitar -- it's my instrument of choice, after all. But sometimes I hate how crude and ugly it sounds. Especially when I'm trying to get a good live sound at a gig (where I can't rely on plugins). Wow.I love how beautiful guitar sounds, especially through my amp. It's when I have to rely on plugins that I sometimes hate how crude and ugly it sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dingoist Posted November 10, 2012 Members Share Posted November 10, 2012 Honestly my goal this weekend is to actually try my Yamaha THR10 through my computer. It's a cool little practice thingy, but I'm intrigued about the two channel wet-dry you can record off it -- I want to pursue how well it my work in my home-studio (it's fall/winter, and for me it's time to get back into recording.). I'm still using guitar rig 4 -- though I think NI is having a sale on now with their audio interface and you get Rig5 for free or something... (I have to go back to my email to check). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beck Posted November 20, 2012 Members Share Posted November 20, 2012 Get some hardware. Out of all the tube pres available I still like the PAIA Tube Head Model 9305.... either the rackmount version or the tabletop version. They're both identical on the inside. Only catch is its a kit you have to build or find one on eBay or musicgoround.com that's already assembled. I've built three of the PAIA kits... one rackmount 9305 and two model 9407 mic pres. I love these things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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