Members rhino55 Posted October 15, 2015 Members Share Posted October 15, 2015 New Lyric. I've been sitting on the opening line for a while, but I was never sure where I wanted to go with it. I decided to go pretty dark. I have a story in mind, and I'm not sure if this is conveying it all the way. Does it hold up without any explanation? Does it need another verse or one trimmed? Spanish moss framed the view through these treesThere's no way to prepare for such a scene She stumbled on it as a child Her innocence forever defiled Twisted limbs, steam still rising from the bloodShe was forced to grow up all at once All she'd known was family and loveNow she knew what bad men were capable of It's curious that she never harped on the whyAll she knew was the bad men must dieVengeance belongs to the LordShe'd help him even the score Growing up poor she knew how to take care of herselfThis course took her some place else She learned as the food ran lowTo steal, to hunt, she began to grow The years passed, her seclusion never didShe'd found her way when she was a kidThe bad men would come back byThis time it would be them that died As bullets ran out she got handy with a bladeAnd accustomed to the sounds her prey madeEven when they beg for mercy She seldom gets in a hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mbfrancis Posted October 15, 2015 Members Share Posted October 15, 2015 New Lyric. I've been sitting on the opening line for a while, but I was never sure where I wanted to go with it. I decided to go pretty dark. I have a story in mind, and I'm not sure if this is conveying it all the way. Does it hold up without any explanation? Does it need another verse or one trimmed? Spanish moss framed the view through these trees There's no way to prepare for such a scene She stumbled on it as a child Her innocence forever defiled Twisted limbs, steam still rising from the blood She was forced to grow up all at once All she'd known was family and love Now she knew what bad men were capable of It's curious that she never harped on the why All she knew was the bad men must die Vengeance belongs to the Lord She'd help him even the score Growing up poor she knew how to take care of herself This course took her some place else She learned as the food ran low To steal, to hunt, she began to grow The years passed, her seclusion never did She'd found her way when she was a kid [also unclear] The bad men would come back by This time it would be them that died As bullets ran out she got handy with a blade And accustomed to the sounds her prey made [awkward] Even when they beg for mercy She seldom gets in a hurry [unclear] Thank God a new song. I was getting bummed. No, I can't really tell what's going on, she's avenging something. Some great stuff here. Great opening image. I think on this one you really need a crazy high show/tell ratio, and I wish the rest of it maintained the quality of that opening image. The lines I bolded above struck me as too 'tell.' Plus some notes. My $.02, hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted October 16, 2015 Members Share Posted October 16, 2015 OK - good start - but how and where to improve? 1. I think the title should be 'Spanish Moss' and it probably needs to repeat at the end a). either as a repeat of the opening line or b). end with a different line that frames the dead bad men with Spanish Moss. Kinda bookend the whole song. 2. First time I read through, I thought the protagonist had been raped. Second time I read through I thought no, she witnessed a murder. So it needs tightening a bit so we are clear on what happened. 3. It's reading like prose with some rhymes. I think it needs to shift into song lyric mode. 4. I also think we need to join the dots to understand the reason for revenge. Maybe the hard life story is not enough for us. Anyway, that's something to chew on for the time being ……….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted October 16, 2015 Members Share Posted October 16, 2015 Thank God a new song. I was getting bummed. No, I can't really tell what's going on, she's avenging something. Some great stuff here. Great opening image. I think on this one you really need a crazy high show/tell ratio, and I wish the rest of it maintained the quality of that opening image. The lines I bolded above struck me as too 'tell.' Plus some notes. My $.02, hope this helps. I agree. I'd like to hear it with the music. Maybe that would drive the story more. I immediately thought of this song by The Band Perry. Very dark. It's a different story, but I think it (your idea) has that same dark, Appalachian connection to death and revenge, etc. So it could be very compelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhino55 Posted October 16, 2015 Author Members Share Posted October 16, 2015 Thanks for the feed back. You guys are spot on as usual. I tried to do a rewrite last night and didn't get too terribly far. This is what I got. Spanish moss framed the view through these treesThere's no good way to prepare for such a scene mutilated bodies lie defiled she stumbled on it as child Twisted limbs steam still rising from the bloodseeing her family that way she grew up all at onceall she'd known was lovenow she knew what bad men were capable of I kind of stumped on where the story should go. I can see two possible ways. She goes on to avenge her family, a basic revenge sort of thing. There could even be some sort of sing along chorus along these lines: Grab daddy's gunsharpen mamma's bladewait for the bad men to comeand send them to their grave The other option is darker still. She goes crazy and thinks everybody that comes around is one of the bad men and kills anybody she comes across. It could end with a murder ballady sort of verse where you give a word of caution to the audience "careful walking these woods at night..." sort of thing. I'll try and get a demo posted before the gig tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted October 16, 2015 Members Share Posted October 16, 2015 The opening verse is too indirect. I like the opening line (with the change below), but you're not putting us in the immediate moment with this person's experience. You're talking about it, not describing it. Also, I think it would hit harder if we knew she was only a child from the git-go. Also, you're initially using plural for the scene (bodies), and singular (it) for what she stumbled on. Spanish moss framed her view through the treesNine years old, she whispered, "No, Jesus, please..."four dead bodies in the mud,river water mixed with blood. Or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhino55 Posted October 16, 2015 Author Members Share Posted October 16, 2015 That's good stuff, LCK. Here's a quick demo http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=13233390&q=hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted October 16, 2015 Members Share Posted October 16, 2015 That's good stuff, LCK. Here's a quick demo http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=13233390&q=hi I like the tune. It's very good, even compelling. Nice work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mbfrancis Posted October 17, 2015 Members Share Posted October 17, 2015 Definitely works better for with music. I would spend a little more time on "grab your daddy's gun" part, make it even more chorus-y / sing-along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhino55 Posted October 19, 2015 Author Members Share Posted October 19, 2015 Glad ya'll like the music. Sitting around a couple fires this weekend, this is where it's settled for now. Spanish moss framed the view through the treesno good way to prepare for such a scenemutilated bodies defiledshe stumbled it on it when she was only a child twisted limbs, steam still rising from the bloodseeing her family that way she grew up all at onceall she'd known was lovenow she knew what the bad men were capable of it's curious she never bothered asking whyall she knew was the bad men must dieshe knew vengeance belongs to the LordGiven time, she'll help him even the score Grab your daddy's gunsharpen momma's bladewait for the bad men to comeyou can make them pay Careful as you go walking in these woodssometimes good men are misunderstoodshe still haunts these groundswaiting for whoever comes around Grab your daddy's gunsharpen momma's bladewait for the bad men to comeyou can make them payx2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rickidoo Posted October 21, 2015 Members Share Posted October 21, 2015 Tragic, I suppose that start up scene was needed to set the stage, but I'm thinking it is a little too graphic. I'm wondering if diffusing some of the visuals yet keeping the tragedy might have the same effect, and increase appeal to listen on. e.g, instead of "mutilated bodies defiled", something like "innocence defiled"... Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhino55 Posted October 22, 2015 Author Members Share Posted October 22, 2015 Thanks Rick. I get what you're saying. The same thought occurred to me last Sunday. I was doing a set with some other songwriter types for an event in a park. Beautiful day, people hanging out eating food, kids playing.... I wanted to show my songwriter buds the new song, but thought better of it, with the kids around and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Delmont Posted December 1, 2015 Members Share Posted December 1, 2015 Good, solid. Since you asked, one minor point tripped me: When God says "Vengeance is mine," it means that it's not ours). That is, we don't have a right to revenge. We can forgive up and down the street, but vengeance is above our pay grade. For better or worse, we have to leave it to God. (Depending on the version of Bible you like, it says something like: "Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, 'Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.'”) Of course, I have no way of knowing whose job revenge actually is, and it's not the kind of thing I worry about. I'm just looking for the logic in an otherwise straightforward, non-surrealistic narrative, and the lyric seems like it might be slightly contradictory there. A scriptural reference might fit at that point, but if you're going to say "Vengeance belongs to the Lord," then to make sense, the next line might move the story along better if it were a little different - something like: "BUT she'd help him even the score.""but she said it was her job to even the score""but she didn't trust Him to even the score""but she gave Him no time to even the score.""but she wanted her hand in settling the score." - that is, something to acknowledge that she's going a step ahead of God. Otherwise, why bring God into itat all? Again, not a big point, and if you feel it's really strong as is, leave it where it lies. Again, nice work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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