Members rsadasiv Posted October 18, 2014 Members Share Posted October 18, 2014 First draft of the lyrics written ~1992. She was a singer and this Karla Bonoff song was one of her favorites. http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12945700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted October 19, 2014 Members Share Posted October 19, 2014 Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted October 20, 2014 Moderators Share Posted October 20, 2014 Interesting. The poem you've written is very cool. The marriage of the track and your spoken work is a cool start. The idea is surprisingly solid. The mechanics of it are a little problematic. A couple suggestions... _________The compression of your voice track is a little out of control with breaths, etc. I'd mess with that a bit more. One thing I find that helps me get in your face level control but clean and artifact free, is to hit a limiter first not touching the body of the phrases but shaving off maybe 6dB from the peaks of the phrase. Set output to match gain with unprocessed track. Then follow that with a warmish compressor set with slow attack and quick release. Set output as done above. Use as much gain reduction as you can get away with 3, 6, 12. _________The challenge of what to do with the program track while you speak. Here, you move it off to the side an equal percieved amount as your voice is opposite. That feels funny. You have a whole track tearing up roots and moving. It is disorienting like seeing a horizon sway. It unnerves. And for me, not in a good way. Sounds like you're keying the pan off your vocal? Cool idea. I'd be tempted to get the track up the middle to stay. Then maybe key a Mid Side processor. So every time you speak her vocal and the rest of the middle attenuate while leaving the sides up and full sounding. I've never had occasion to use such a process so have fun if you give that one a shot! ) It sounds doable and might be an awesome effect. _________Lastly... I think your voice should have a part that compliments her repeated hook section. Without it, you're not part of the band. And what works about this whole thing is your keen integration musically, but with spoken word. voice as instrument. It works. So... Lay down beside me... lay down beside meLay down - lay down__Lay down Be a part of the hook too! Of course keeping an eye on the cheese-o-meter at all times. Cool idea and the execution of your spoken take is awesome. Just need to tighten up some tech challenges and integrate yourself further I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted October 20, 2014 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2014 Interesting. The poem you've written is very cool. The marriage of the track and your spoken work is a cool start. The idea is surprisingly solid. The mechanics of it are a little problematic. A couple suggestions... _________ The compression of your voice track is a little out of control with breaths, etc. I'd mess with that a bit more. One thing I find that helps me get in your face level control but clean and artifact free, is to hit a limiter first not touching the body of the phrases but shaving off maybe 6dB from the peaks of the phrase. Set output to match gain with unprocessed track. Then follow that with a warmish compressor set with slow attack and quick release. Set output as done above. Use as much gain reduction as you can get away with 3, 6, 12. _________ The challenge of what to do with the program track while you speak. Here, you move it off to the side an equal percieved amount as your voice is opposite. That feels funny. You have a whole track tearing up roots and moving. It is disorienting like seeing a horizon sway. It unnerves. And for me, not in a good way. Sounds like you're keying the pan off your vocal? Cool idea. I'd be tempted to get the track up the middle to stay. Then maybe key a Mid Side processor. So every time you speak her vocal and the rest of the middle attenuate while leaving the sides up and full sounding. I've never had occasion to use such a process so have fun if you give that one a shot! ) It sounds doable and might be an awesome effect. _________ Lastly... I think your voice should have a part that compliments her repeated hook section. Without it, you're not part of the band. And what works about this whole thing is your keen integration musically, but with spoken word. voice as instrument. It works. So... Lay down beside me... lay down beside me Lay down - lay down__Lay down Be a part of the hook too! Of course keeping an eye on the cheese-o-meter at all times. Cool idea and the execution of your spoken take is awesome. Just need to tighten up some tech challenges and integrate yourself further I think. Excellent insights. Breaths are distracting - will set up limiter.. Did set up the ducking to route to the pan - will try ducking the center instead. Figure out a way to integrate the parts better and participate in the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted October 20, 2014 Moderators Share Posted October 20, 2014 Cool. Oh... and if ducking the level is distracting, even it it ends up only being the center, this is where the kick and snare are too after all, maybe you could match tempo and program a nifty beatnik hippity hopity beat boxy groove thang. That way the duck doesn't rob the production of its balls. As a matter of fact, either way, that might make it a hell of a lot more your own thing too. Right up your alleyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted October 20, 2014 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2014 Might look at re-recording the BT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BenStoller Posted October 21, 2014 Members Share Posted October 21, 2014 Cool. I'm not sure what else to say about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted October 21, 2014 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2014 Might look at re-recording the BT. Recording seems to be ~60 cents flat of concert pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted October 21, 2014 Moderators Share Posted October 21, 2014 Play a string patch (or flute) with no modulation along with her record and fine tune the synth to get it in pitch. By ear. Get it perfect. Play the string synth after tuning by ear into a tuner and take note of exact cent deviation. Recalibrate your tuner and save that as a preset. Call it "Bonoff Gives Me an InTune Boner". Tune everything to that preset when tracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mbfrancis Posted October 21, 2014 Members Share Posted October 21, 2014 I'm sorry but I don't get the point, maybe it's over my head. The track is too loud and I can't follow both. Even a radio DJ doing a VO freefrom thing wouldn't step all over a track, he'd find a an instrumental version with maybe the vocal peeking out once in a while. Or turn it way down. Maybe you should do a remix where the chorus pops up every once in a while in the stanza breaks, but other than that it's instrumental. Mixing moves won't solve this though, I think. Sorry to be blunt - I could be wrong. I get that you'e doing something experimental, but I don't follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted October 22, 2014 Author Members Share Posted October 22, 2014 They can't all be putting a comb filter on Hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mbfrancis Posted October 22, 2014 Members Share Posted October 22, 2014 They can't all be putting a comb filter on Hair. Ha, actually Lee has a ton of good ideas on this. You're operating on a higher level than I, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted October 22, 2014 Author Members Share Posted October 22, 2014 Ha, actually Lee has a ton of good ideas on this. You're operating on a higher level than I, though. I kid. You (and Lee) are both right - there needs to be a lot less of the backing track and a lot more of me. I just have to figure out a way to be comfortable with that reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mbfrancis Posted October 22, 2014 Members Share Posted October 22, 2014 Low pass filter...just like Daft Punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted October 22, 2014 Author Members Share Posted October 22, 2014 Low pass filter...just like Daft Punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mbfrancis Posted October 23, 2014 Members Share Posted October 23, 2014 Haha, no I mean run your backing track through a LPF to free up the top end for the VO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted October 24, 2014 Author Members Share Posted October 24, 2014 Easier to follow now. http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12945700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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