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  • I LOVE that song, but....

    I was planning on putting these into the FIT, but thought it might be a fun exercise on its own. The idea is to put our full nit picking on display with songs that we absolutely love... but have a minor (or not so minor) issue that calls too much attention to itself.

    My first submission:



    I can still remember the first time I heard this song. It cycled through on the now defunct internet player Launchcast and my ears immediately perked up. From the opening riff, to the beat heavy verse and the hooky chorus, I was totally sold. I was already logging onto Amazon to see how much his album was...

    But then the solo started. I've listened to this song at least 50 times since then (I did end up buying it) and for the life if me, I still can't figure out what the hell they were going for there.

    And there is this one.



    I wish I could find the studio version because it is totally different, but it isn't on YT, so this will have to do for now.

    A friend let me borrow Glen Phillips' "Winter Pays for Summer" album (a truly great disc worthy of anyone's time) and was immediately taken by it, with "Finally Fading" htting the hardest. It's been on several dozen mix tapes and discs since. That's why I wish I had never realized a line I loved was actually a mishear on my part. What I thought was

    No on plays there anymore

    is actually

    No one plays fair anymore

    I really dug the nostalgia and longing I thought were being conveyed, but the actual line strikes me as more petulant.

    So, am I just being overly critical? Do you have your own damn, if only.... song stories?
    Last edited by Oswlek; 06-30-2014, 01:14 PM.
    Don't listen to Justin.
    LCK - 2/21/2012

  • #2
    This sounds kinda cool. I don't have time to look at this more closely now, but I can think of a lot of songs that left me with that "If only..." feeling.
    "I write from a different place. I do not even know what it is called, or if it has a name. It just comes and I sculpt it. But it is also a lot of hard work." —Van Morrison

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    • #3
      I've always loved this song from the day the album was released, but I think George must have been having a having a lacklustre day.
      There is a mini solo in the song, but it is just an uninspired carbon copy of the vocal melody on a guitar with a terrible tone.
      This is one that could have been better.

      Ha - some hours later - I see I forgot to post the link. Here it comes……….

      Last edited by oldgitplayer; 07-01-2014, 01:54 AM.
      'Music is your own experience, your thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn'.
      CHARLIE PARKER

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      • #4
        Some (a lot really) of early Dylan. I've learned to absolutely love his voice and delivery but... that harmonica! It's cool but it's so freaking LOUD.
        Your god doesn't exist but my god does and he is all loving. If you disagree with me I'll kill you. - Prince Ea

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Oswlek View Post
          I was planning on putting these into the FIT, but thought it might be a fun exercise on its own. The idea is to put our full nit picking on display with songs that we absolutely love... but have a minor (or not so minor) issue that calls too much attention to itself.

          My first submission:



          I can still remember the first time I heard this song. It cycled through on the now defunct internet player Launchcast and my ears immediately perked up. From the opening riff, to the beat heavy verse and the hooky chorus, I was totally sold. I was already logging onto Amazon to see how much his album was...

          But then the solo started. I've listened to this song at least 50 times since then (I did end up buying it) and for the life if me, I still can't figure out what the hell they were going for there.
          That's a lovely little find, what a great track. I don't think there's enough *there* solo-wise to get upset at. He was probably just trying to get out some noise to show people that although this was a lovely pop song deep down he was still hardcore. I think it fails but not enough to doom the track.

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          • #6
            Yeah, Martin, it is a great tune. Sorry if I wasn't clear, but that is the point of the thread: songs that have the one issue that digs you every time... but you love them anyway.
            Don't listen to Justin.
            LCK - 2/21/2012

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            • #7
              This is a pretty universally acclaimed track - Hendrix covering All Along The Watchtower. But there's a timing glitch in the intro that has always bugged me. I just assumed for years and years that it was just a tricky rhythmic thing that I hadn't quite caught on to (I mean this was Hendrix, right?) , but no, it's an outright glitch.

              At 10 seconds in, the snare groove that starts up is not in the groove with the strummed acoustic...it's not sorted out for about 4 seconds. It sounds like Jimi sticks in an extra note or something so the drummer can "catch up" - or it's just a clumsy edit/splice.





              nat whilk ii
              Last edited by nat whilk II; 07-01-2014, 11:58 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by oldgitplayer View Post
                I've always loved this song from the day the album was released, but I think George must have been having a having a lacklustre day.
                There is a mini solo in the song, but it is just an uninspired carbon copy of the vocal melody on a guitar with a terrible tone. This is one that could have been better.
                I am such a Beatle fanboy, but yeah, George's productions especially in earlier Beatle tracks are spotty with timing problems, little clams, and the occasionally truly uninspired lick.

                From what I've read, particularly from Geoff Emerick's book, this was part of the tension between Paul and George, since Paul would consistently lay down scads of seemingly effortless, pristine takes, and he would start pecking George with advice when George struggled.

                And the famous lead on Taxman - George had struggled for a long time trying to lay something decent down while everyone else watched and waited. Finally George Martin suggested giving Paul a go - George went for a walk, and Paul knocked out that blistering lead in a couple of takes. George was always gracious about it to his great credit.

                The big worldwide first-ever satellite broadcast event that brought All You Need Is Love out - by all accounts they were all sweating bullets on that one. You'll notice that the camera totally avoids George during his lead - and it's a pretty shaky, short production as far as leads go. And George clunks a couple of notes when he drops back down into his rhythm part at the end of the lead.

                Just to say, George certainly got his chops working in most of the tracks, especially a bit later in the Beatle career, and on his own later still.

                Jump to 1:15 or so if you want to just check out the lead.



                nat whilk ii


                Last edited by nat whilk II; 07-01-2014, 04:20 PM.

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                • #9
                  One of my all-time favorite Beach Boys songs, but I don't get the lyric at all.

                  "I write from a different place. I do not even know what it is called, or if it has a name. It just comes and I sculpt it. But it is also a lot of hard work." —Van Morrison

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                  • #10
                    What an amazing, fantastic track, but what the hell does "it's the time of the season" mean? Time of the year, I get. Time of day, yes. But the time of the season? It makes no sense.

                    Last edited by LCK; 07-01-2014, 04:12 PM.
                    "I write from a different place. I do not even know what it is called, or if it has a name. It just comes and I sculpt it. But it is also a lot of hard work." —Van Morrison

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                    • #11
                      Stevie Wonder's Songs In The Key of Life still amazes me, one of my all-time favorite albums. But the endings just go on with repeats and vocal scats and misc stuff dropped in, on and on and on and on and on and on....

                      One example...the song "As". Wonderful song, yes. Intro, first verse and short chorus takes about a minute. Couple more verses, we're at about 20 where the bar four-note ascending bassline riff kicks in and repeats to fill out all the remaining time in a 7+ minute song.

                      Yeah, I get it - if I get totally carried along and swept up, the long length can work. If you've ever participated in a certain kind of church service, you'll know the drill, and it can be pretty wonderful on occasion.

                      But this is a pop song and needs to hold up under repeated listens and not tire people - at 50 I'd say, hey Stevie, let's start the fade hereabouts, ok?? Stevie? Stevie?? Forget it, there's no stopping him when he's like this



                      nat whilk ii

                      Last edited by nat whilk II; 07-01-2014, 05:00 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mbfrancis View Post

                        That's a lovely little find, what a great track. I don't think there's enough *there* solo-wise to get upset at. He was probably just trying to get out some noise to show people that although this was a lovely pop song deep down he was still hardcore. I think it fails but not enough to doom the track.

                        It is weird-sounding - almost like one side of a stereo signal is missing or something. Sometimes you can fall in love with weirdness - it's a danger.

                        nat whilk ii

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by nat whilk II View Post
                          This is a pretty universally acclaimed track - Hendrix covering All Along The Watchtower. But there's a timing glitch in the intro that has always bugged me. I just assumed for years and years that it was just a tricky rhythmic thing that I hadn't quite caught on to (I mean this was Hendrix, right?) , but no, it's an outright glitch.

                          At 10 seconds in, the snare groove that starts up is not in the groove with the strummed acoustic...it's not sorted out for about 4 seconds. It sounds like Jimi sticks in an extra note or something so the drummer can "catch up" - or it's just a clumsy edit/splice.





                          nat whilk ii

                          Totally. I hear it every time.
                          Your god doesn't exist but my god does and he is all loving. If you disagree with me I'll kill you. - Prince Ea

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                          • #14
                            Wings - Magneto and Titanium Man

                            This tune ROCKS... but you wouldn't know it. The drums (and what a performance!) are seriously buried. That's Joe English and he ROCKED! But the sound they got on him was cardboardy and trashy. And then they buried him. It's a seriously rocking performance that would've made this song much more known and popular than it was.

                            Last edited by Lee Knight; 07-02-2014, 09:43 AM.
                            Your god doesn't exist but my god does and he is all loving. If you disagree with me I'll kill you. - Prince Ea

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                            • #15
                              I've been a big fan of Glen Hansard. A great song writer as far as I am concerned. But there have been a number of his songs that start beautifully... build in intensity.. and then go crazy crazy fast, with screaming etc. I get what he is trying to do. But I feel is is in overdo too often.

                              Listen to how beautiful this song begins....

                              I like the *idea* of his approach, sometimes at least, I just think it should be harnessed to keep the song listenable.

                              But maybe that's just me...

                              Last edited by rickidoo; 07-07-2014, 06:02 AM.
                              <div class="signaturecontainer"><i>&quot;Now and then... occasionally... it seems to have.... too many notes&quot;</i><br></div>

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