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  • #31
    Words and music happen at the same time now in my head. I've got 10 or so songs in development but haven't gone to the keyboard or written anything down in months.

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    • #32
      strum a few first position chords, get it down in a note book or on a computer.


      .........the birthing process for all of my tunes.
      Leonard Scaper

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      • #33
        Do you begin a song with the lyrics or the music?

        It's like asking if you accept the lifesaver from the the passenger or the sailor. You accept either one when it gets to you. The preference goes to whoever gets there first.
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        • #34
          You accept either one when it gets to you.


          And there it is.
          Leonard Scaper

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          • #35
            And there it is.



            Leonard.

            I thought a bit about my tune through out the day, inbetween going to work, and pushing more snow around.

            Anyway, I wanted to give it more of a singer song writter vibe, not that the other version was sing-song writter.

            I think I like this more moody version I just recorded.

            I went down stairs where I always have a couple of decent mics set up.

            I'm buring a cd now and will post it soon.

            I'm probably most happy with this version, even though I sing the words off a piece of paper and don't get em exactly right.

            So for this tune the words came first.
            But that's not always the case.

            In less the 24 hours, I have what I would call a song I'm kinda happy with. But I am never exactly happy with a tune so I will write another and the process beging again.

            The cd's done and I make an MP3 so it can be uploaded
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            • #36
              I guys I kinda dig it
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              • #37
                Yeah.....I like that.

                Just goes to show how this songwriting thing can work. You put this together as an exercize.......lyrics first. You threw a version together. Now this tweaked version.......

                The process begins somewhere, in some way.....and the beat goes on.
                Leonard Scaper

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                • #38
                  Yeah.....I like that.

                  Just goes to show how this songwriting thing can work. You put this together as an exercize.......lyrics first. You threw a version together. Now this tweaked version.......

                  The process begins somewhere, in some way.....and the beat goes on.


                  That's the important thing aboit this thread.

                  Start somewhere, write somethimg down. If you have no ideas in 20 minutes written down start doddling, you might be a pretty good cartoonist
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                  • #39
                    Eh, music. I really don't care about lyrics at all, as long as they don't sound actively lame, trite, etc. When I'm listening to song, I will only care about the lyrics if the melody is intresting. Even then, only the most terrible of lyrics are likely to sour me on a good melody.

                    One of the great rock songs ever written, I am the Walrus, is purposefully nonsensical. Or take Kurt Cobain, who said that "lyrics are completely secondary." Now compare that to some of the old Pearl Jam songs that were "about something, man" and are today rather cringeworthy.

                    So, no, I don't worry about lyrics at all, just try to find sound words that sound good strung together. Spend about 95% of your time on the music and 5% on lyrics.

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                    • #40
                      Eh, music. I really don't care about lyrics at all, as long as they don't sound actively lame, trite, etc. When I'm listening to song, I will only care about the lyrics if the melody is intresting. Even then, only the most terrible of lyrics are likely to sour me on a good melody.

                      One of the great rock songs ever written, I am the Walrus, is purposefully nonsensical. Or take Kurt Cobain, who said that "lyrics are completely secondary." Now compare that to some of the old Pearl Jam songs that were "about something, man" and are today rather cringeworthy.

                      So, no, I don't worry about lyrics at all, just try to find sound words that sound good strung together. Spend about 95% of your time on the music and 5% on lyrics.
                      I don't think lyrics have to be serious or about something heavy, but I have a pretty limited patience for songs that just string a lot of nonsensical images together. Maybe that's because a lot of my favorite artists have often created songs that might strike a casual listener as meaningless nonsense, but which, on closer examination are often really coherent, if more than a little obscure, esoteric, or just plain weird.

                      Take for instance, the late, and lamented Captain Beefheart. I certainly don't claim to understand all his lyrics. I'm not even entirely sure he always did. But even the strangest of those lyrics strike me as far from random or meaningless... Take for instance, Floppy Boot Stomp (lyrics at www.beefheart.com)... I suspect many casual listeners would assume it's just silliness -- but it actually seems to be about the esoteric/pagan roots of square dance as magical invocation and confjuring.

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                      • #41
                        I write the vocal melody first, and then everything else follows, lyrics, riffs, whatever. Everything has to start and end with the vocal melody for me.

                        For me, lyrics are all about matching the meter of the words to the vocal melody. When you read the lyrics out loud, the natural ups and downs of the words should match the ups and downs of the vocal melody, and the rhythm of the words should roughly match the rhythm of the melody as well. Then I worry about rhyme and making sense because there's an art to not making sense and I'm not very good at it. So I just stick to a simple theme.

                        I really hate songwriters who do not match the meter of the words to the melody. It just feels lazy to me. Lady GaGa is a particularly notable offender. She writes really great melodies and awesome choruses but then throwaway verses with terrible meter.
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                        • #42

                          I really hate songwriters who do not match the meter of the words to the melody. It just feels lazy to me. Lady GaGa is a particularly notable offender. She writes really great melodies and awesome choruses but then throwaway verses with terrible meter.


                          I totally agree about the GaGa example. She writes strong hooks but the verses are... ...it's just a good thing the beat is happening.
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                          • #43
                            Do you begin a song with the lyrics or the music?

                            It's like asking if you accept the lifesaver from the the passenger or the sailor. You accept either one when it gets to you. The preference goes to whoever gets there first.


                            In my case, the sailor is tossing an anvil. I've only been able to write a single set of lyrics without music and it was a struggle.
                            Don't listen to Justin.
                            LCK - 2/21/2012

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