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  • #46
    Hallelujah. I finally get to participate in a Blockbuster Challenge


    Nice! Very well done!

    LCK
    “Good Vibrations” was probably a good record but who's to know? You had to play it about 90 bloody times to even hear what they were singing about. What’s next? Rock opera? —Pete Townshend, Melody Maker Interview, 1966.

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    • #47

      Can I ask, what everyone's thinking process was that lead them from looking at the lyrics and developing the particular style of music you did?
      (Serious, fun, etc.)

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      I can't say there was much of a process. Sat down with an acoustic guitar after watching a Grateful Dead rockumentary... was going for something in that vain with some nice harmonies. That's about it.

      my version is here

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      • #48
        I can't say there was much of a process. Sat down with an acoustic guitar


        Same here. I read the lyrics, sat down with a guitar. Sang the lyrics, and came up with the basic chord progression and melody within a few minutes. I had a vague notion from the lyrics that I wanted something with a country or bluegrass feel. The fingerpicking pattern, to me, sort of rolls along and I guess is my musical representation of the truck rolling down the road. I played around with dropped D for a few minutes, which I abandoned once I came up with the F# major chord to start the chorus. The C | G/B | Gm/Bb A7 | D progression under "hanging real low, wherever I go, there's that moon again" is a nod to Neil Young. And as I mentioned in the Friday Influences Thread, my wife listens to a lot of Alison Krauss and in listening back on the song, I can hear some of that influence, though I didn't have it consciously in mind at the time.

        http://soundcloud.com/shortchord/theres-that-moon-again-1

        As I recorded the scratch version, I was reading the lyrics from my phone, so you can hear that I had to stop picking once in a while (like at 22) to tap the screen to scroll the lyrics and keep the screen saver from kicking on. I'm going to go over to bee3's place at some point in the near future to record a better version.

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        • #49
          I can't say there was much of a process. Sat down with an acoustic guitar


          Yeah, pretty much.

          I didn't know that this would turn into such a mega-shootout. I saw that the lyrics had a solid meter and natural verse-chorus structure, sat down and noodled around with the archtop. Words fit with the "Dancing Barefoot" riff so I kept that. The "Dancing Barefoot" riff is all ascending motion, so I worked out some descending motion for the second phrase. The chorus melody was basically the same chords as the second phrase, worked for a little while to try and get out of that, didn't find anything useful, and in desperation for some kind of variation, ended the chorus with a blue note. Set up a couple of mics, spent ten minutes trying to shoo the family into another room ("or at least be quiet while you're walking through!"), roll tape and ...
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          • #50
            Nice job Marshall!


            As far as my "process" goes... I read the lyric and I thought it was cool the way we have these characters in view of the singer, the blackbird, truck, cow and dog, and the thing tying them all together was the moon. His old. ever present buddy. So my first thought was that I'd make some lightweight, fun groove for the verses and then I wanted the chorus to bring a sense of tying all that together.

            So my idea was that I'd have a sustained but multi-note melody for the word "moon". Then I thought it might be cool to use a bVI in the chorus if the verses were going to be pretty straight harmonically. The Bb in D. So the Bb to A7 was kinda pivotal in me saying, OK Got it. I got the angle. That was it. Then I read it again and started singing in my head. Then I picked up a guitar and played through a couple time to figure a part, 3 times maybe, and then not really knowing what I was really doing, I decided and recorded.

            About 15 minutes. Which wass a lot fun in its quickness and made me wish it always went so fast.
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            Ain't no sacrilege to call Elvis king
            Dad is great and all but he never could sing -
            Jesus

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            • #51
              The more I listen to others, the more I realize we all stay within our comfort zone. Probably Lee Knight kept the closest to the feel of Jack's lyrics, on the verses. But even he lapsed into Lee Knight style on the chorus. Very nice for sure. But everybody sees things differently through their own lens.
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxDwt26FZc
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              http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/marshallsongs

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              • #52
                For me it was the Chorus. To me it was about the human condition. I saw it as the moon was a witness to this guys life (good and bad). The verses set this up for me as the birds, cow and truck just plow on through life, just being what god or man intended, but humans struggle with meaning in everything.

                The Chorus kind of summed up , and came to terms with, the whole "human condition thing".

                I will add I'm not a huge fan for bluegrass or old thyme country music, so in my mind, I heard the chorus as folksy or more serious. What got me wondering, was if I could mold the melody to make the verses fit the chorus I heard in my head.

                I didn't spend time enough on the recording (actually I kept screwing it up) so i just pieced something together to get the idea across. (I know the recording sucks and if I get some time I might re-record it. )

                I might reuse the melody in a future song too, cause I realy do like the melody and the chord progression.

                But, there is my chapter in this story...
                http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...?bandID=575709 or http://www.youtube.com/user/ccarnucci

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                • #53
                  . . . , but humans struggle with meaning in everything. . . ,


                  Tell me about it ! ! !
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxDwt26FZc
                  http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/marshallsongs
                  http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/marshallsongs

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                  • #54
                    So my idea was that I'd have a sustained but multi-note melody for the word "moon".


                    Lee - the above line intrigued me. Am I to understand you looked at the chorus and knew or thought that the multi note moon would work before strumming the first chord? I went back and relistened to your version and it certainly does.

                    I got the sense from your post that you (perhaps sometimes) sketch out in your head what the key points are you want to drive home, and how that might be achieved, before the guitar is picked up? (I'm talking more in general rather than just this song.) Much like some water color artists sketch with pencil first.

                    If so I never thought to do that. And I'm liken the idea. It tickles the engineer in me. (What little is left)...

                    Rick
                    www.rickdieffenbach.com.

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                    • #55
                      Lee - the above line intrigued me. Am I to understand you looked at the chorus and knew or thought that the multi note moon would work before strumming the first chord? I went back and relistened to your version and it certainly does.

                      I got the sense from your post that you (perhaps sometimes) sketch out in your head what the key points are you want to drive home, and how that might be achieved, before the guitar is picked up? (I'm talking more in general rather than just this song.) Much like some water color artists sketch with pencil first.

                      If so I never thought to do that. And I'm liken the idea. It tickles the engineer in me. (What little is left)...

                      Rick


                      Absolutely. I mean, I'm no Mozart writing the whole thing in my head or anything, but yeah, I heard the verses in my head pretty straight away and knew I wanted to break away pretty substantially for the chorus to get that effect of summing it all up. So yeah, I then heard that little melody all on "moo-oo-oo-oo- oo-n". That was in my head as was me wanting an interesting chord there. Once I "stumbled" on the bVI after picking up the guitar, it was almost done.

                      I usually like to do it like that as much as possible. I like what comes out of my imagination more that what I can consciously wrestle out of a guitar or piano.
                      __________
                      Ain't no sacrilege to call Elvis king
                      Dad is great and all but he never could sing -
                      Jesus

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                      • #56
                        Epiphany time! Thank you Lee!

                        "I like what comes out of my imagination more that what I can consciously wrestle out of a guitar or piano."

                        Rick
                        www.rickdieffenbach.com.

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                        • #57
                          Epiphany time! Thank you Lee!

                          "I like what comes out of my imagination more that what I can consciously wrestle out of a guitar or piano."

                          Rick


                          Yeah, I just have a terrible time keeping that damn thing in tune.
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                          • #58
                            Yeah, I just have a terrible time keeping that damn thing in tune.


                            LOL.

                            What a fascinating discussion. Songwriting conversations are much more interesting when they are built around a framework and not talking too high level.
                            Don't listen to Justin.
                            LCK - 2/21/2012

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                            • #59
                              I got the sense from your post that you (perhaps sometimes) sketch out in your head what the key points are you want to drive home, and how that might be achieved, before the guitar is picked up? (I'm talking more in general rather than just this song.) Much like some water color artists sketch with pencil first.

                              If so I never thought to do that. And I'm liken the idea. It tickles the engineer in me. (What little is left)...

                              Rick


                              Rick - This is a useful process for those of us who aren't musical savants......

                              I have spent more than 40 years in a design career, and often the problems to be solved require the coordination of great swathes of information. So before entering into the creative part of the design process, I have always made sure that the information has been sorted, prioritised, and filed into my sub-conscious.
                              Creativity works at its best when there is already a clear conceptual vision of where you want to go - the detail will automatically follow.

                              So I can't help but carry this with me into songwriting. I like to make a few notes to myself regarding what I want to achieve, where I want to take it, etc.... When the lyric ideas eventually start to flow, I often end up with 4 to 5 times more material than I eventually use. The sub-conscious is a mysterious beast, but it's useful to let it work this way.

                              But when it comes to music, I'm in a blindfolded 3-legged race with myself.....
                              'Music is your own experience, your thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn'.
                              CHARLIE PARKER

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                              • #60
                                When the lyric ideas eventually start to flow, I often end up with 4 to 5 times more material than I eventually use.


                                I wish I had this issue. Every word is a battle with me... probably why I usually only have 2 verses.

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