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    This isn't another new song from Grace, but rather...I was thinking...

    I was listening to my really early songs, and I now see how far I've come in terms of maturity and subtlety and arranging and lyrics...and yet at the time of writing those early songs, I felt some of them were DEFINITELY going to be on my debut album. Whereas now? NO WAY!

    But I think that's always how it goes, isn't it? In another year I will no doubt look back at the songs I've written in the past 3 months and not have THEM on my debut album either...even though right now I am quite partial to them.

    I wonder if every songwriter is like this in a way. Do albums that are actually released reflect just a...snapshot in time of that artist's work at any given stage? The album is static...a photograph...whereas the songwriting that goes on and the songs that are created constantly are fluid, constantly evolving, and thus like moving images...
    All things must pass...

  • #2
    Me too.

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    • #3
      I would guess that for hobbiest like us what you feel is normal. Because we are truely improving from song to song. But I doubt if Paul McCartney would feel that way...say about.... Yesterday, or Hey Jude. Just a thought.
      http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...?bandID=575709 or http://www.youtube.com/user/ccarnucci

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      • #4
        Hmm, true. Although his stuff nowadays is quite far removed from the songs of the Beatles, with him and John co-writing most of them. So he may well feel, while his recent songs aren't necessarily better than his older songs, that they are just more reflective of where he is now as a musician.

        And I do still think that no matter how experienced you are, or how good others perceive your music to be, you are always still learning and evolving, so maybe even Sir Paul himself may agree with my theory.
        All things must pass...

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        • #5
          No rules. We're making the post-industrial music complex now.

          I think it's not a bad idea to collect your songs from a given period into an album -- even if you don't release or promote it, it helps you see where you've been, who you're becoming. I wish I'd done a little more to lock some stuff down at times in the past. I was always thinking, oh, in few months, I'll have enough to really do something cool. So, you know, what I have instead is just a series of tapes (and later CDs) that I made as sort of slipstream updates to friends or others. But the handful of things that were formally collected into albums, given cover art and titles and the whole rigamarole, those things tended to stick with people more, and with me, more, too.
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          • #6
            Hmm. *nod* I think ideally we'd keep every single song we ever did that was actually fairly finished. I have kept pretty much all of mine. Unfortunately, with some of them I think I'm still too close / not evolved or far away enough to be able to appreciate them...I still cringe and worry I'll do a song like that again.
            All things must pass...

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            • #7
              This is why artists need producers.
              If a producer was producing an album for you Grace, then he / she would most likely select something from your earlier body of work and re-record it.

              We are usually the worst judge of our own work.
              George Harrison handed up 'Handle with Care' for the B-side of a single - need I say more?
              'Music is your own experience, your thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn'.
              CHARLIE PARKER

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              • #8
                Ah yes, "Handle With Care". I love that song. It's SO catchy and also tugs on the heartstrings (mine anyway, and many others too, or else nobody would know the song existed).

                Fleetwood Mac didn't use Stevie Nicks' "Silver Springs" on Tusk in favour of "I Don't Want to Know", which in my opinion is absolutely NO comparison at ALL. But "Silver Springs" was too long and so they canned it. Stevie was livid. I would be too.
                All things must pass...

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                • #9
                  I admit to forever rewriting my old songs (and poems and stories and so on) -- I am capable of recognizing their faults from the perspective of time and want to fix them. It does have a way of changing their tone, however, and reflects my own changes, for better or worse. Better, I hope.

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                  • #10
                    I was asked by a local radio station to pull together 3 tunes of mine for a locals Sunday night show. Flattering to be asked. Cool... so... 3 tunes. Well, my latest is my best of course and... no wait.. there's that one... ****************. Well, this is easy cause that one sucks. And wait...

                    I don't think the songs have gotten better as much as the process has gotten easier for me. I know better how to get there. I don't recognize it any better now, I just do it faster. If that makes sense.
                    __________
                    Ain't no sacrilege to call Elvis king
                    Dad is great and all but he never could sing -
                    Jesus

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                    • #11
                      I was asked by a local radio station to pull together 3 tunes of mine for a locals Sunday night show. Flattering to be asked. Cool... so... 3 tunes. Well, my latest is my best of course and... no wait.. there's that one... ****************. Well, this is easy cause that one sucks. And wait...

                      I don't think the songs have gotten better as much as the process has gotten easier for me. I know better how to get there. I don't recognize it any better now, I just do it faster. If that makes sense.


                      "It never gets any easier, you just go faster" - Greg LeMond about cycling, but I think it is applicable here too... at least for me.

                      I believe songs are never done. They could always change, and sometimes do from performance to performance... at least for me, but I don't think that constant rewriting is a good thing for a songwriter. I'm not sure that came out like I wanted it to...

                      I think knowing how and when to do a rewrite is a valuable skill to have, but if it is all we do... if we never write anything new, I think it can be a bad thing. At some point, we need to accept that the writing stage for this particular song is done and move on to something new.
                      ...

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                      • #12
                        "It never gets any easier, you just go faster" - Greg LeMond about cycling, but I think it is applicable here too... at least for me.

                        I believe songs are never done. They could always change, and sometimes do from performance to performance... at least for me, but I don't think that constant rewriting is a good thing for a songwriter. I'm not sure that came out like I wanted it to...

                        I think knowing how and when to do a rewrite is a valuable skill to have, but if it is all we do... if we never write anything new, I think it can be a bad thing. At some point, we need to accept that the writing stage for this particular song is done and move on to something new.


                        Exactly. It's part of what I was thinking as I posted but couldn't get out. See... I think that while it is true that great songs are re-written to a certain extent, the real deal is the seed of the idea, that first spark. That is where the beginnings of your next GREAT song are. So we search for that kick ass seed. While we re-write to make the most out of each seed, the bottom line is, the seed is the magic. The better the seed, the better the re-write, and the better the song.

                        We need to move on to find and plant more seeds.
                        __________
                        Ain't no sacrilege to call Elvis king
                        Dad is great and all but he never could sing -
                        Jesus

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                        • #13
                          "It never gets any easier, you just go faster" - Greg LeMond about cycling, but I think it is applicable here too... at least for me.



                          After several years of writing, I think I've actually gotten slower. I guess I'm more conscious of the "crap factor" now and I start self-editing too early in the process.
                          Beware of deepities.-- Daniel Dennett

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                          • #14
                            Neil Young once said that if he waited until every song was 100% finished, he only would have written one.

                            John Lennon was very vocal in the 70s about how much he disliked the Beatle catalog and that if he could, he'd go back and change every single song in some way.

                            Yeah, I think you could say we are not unique.
                            Don't listen to Justin.
                            LCK - 2/21/2012

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                            • #15
                              Neil Young once said that if he waited until every song was 100% finished, he only would have written one.


                              YEAH, Neil Young, as surly and grumpy as he is, has it right in that quote.

                              And John Lennon too. Kate Bush also has said a few times that she never listens to her early stuff anymore because she's just moved on so much since then and all she can think of is how many changes she'd make to those previous songs. And since she tends to take 10 years sometimes to actually make an album, she has said this poses a problem too because by the time she gets to the later songs on the album, she wants to go back to the earlier ones and change them because it's been so long. lol.
                              All things must pass...

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