Members Ontological Posted October 18, 2012 Members Share Posted October 18, 2012 Any suggestions?http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...ongID=11951538invisible line So don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted October 19, 2012 Members Share Posted October 19, 2012 I like this - it's very moody both in music and lyric. It felt a tad long. Maybe you could do less repeats. Lyric-wise, I preferred 'it's what we deserve' rather than the earlier 'it's what you deserve'. . We know where the real blame lies. I think the song is 90% there - it might just benefit from another lyric edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ontological Posted October 19, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 19, 2012 Originally Posted by oldgitplayer I like this - it's very moody both in music and lyric.It felt a tad long. Maybe you could do less repeats.Lyric-wise, I preferred 'it's what we deserve' rather than the earlier 'it's what you deserve'. .We know where the real blame lies.I think the song is 90% there - it might just benefit from another lyric edit. Up to that point the listener doesn't know. That was kind of the point. It seems a bit shocking to say what he's saying until later you realize he's right. The latter verse simply broadens the man's feeling of responsibility to the breakdown of the relationship. Makes sense? I'm not all that clever at explaining things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stickboymusic Posted October 19, 2012 Members Share Posted October 19, 2012 Like this a lot - your voice is excellent, has a kind of Eddie Vedder vibe to it on this song It is a little long but it held me attention. From a production point I did find those fret slide noises a little distracting as they were one of the loudest things in the mix.... maybe try micing nearer the sound hole and away from the fret a little? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LeonardScaper Posted October 19, 2012 Members Share Posted October 19, 2012 When I looked up....five minutes had transpired and I was waiting to hear more. The length, for me, was perfect. I love the meditative aspect of this song.....it's somewhat droning nature really sucked me deeply in.Regarding those string noises......some detailed volume automation might well mitigate them nicely. You don't want to lose them but you do want them to be in their proper place.I always look forward to your songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ontological Posted October 19, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 19, 2012 Originally Posted by stickboymusic Like this a lot - your voice is excellent, has a kind of Eddie Vedder vibe to it on this song It is a little long but it held me attention.From a production point I did find those fret slide noises a little distracting as they were one of the loudest things in the mix.... maybe try micing nearer the sound hole and away from the fret a little? I think my mic is extremely sensitive. I'll give your suggestion a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RickDieffenbach Posted October 19, 2012 Members Share Posted October 19, 2012 a very atmospheric tune, and melody. The first 2 verses pulled me right along, interesting creative. I was really expecting the song to kick into high gear when "So don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RickDieffenbach Posted October 19, 2012 Members Share Posted October 19, 2012 a very atmospheric tune, and melody. The first 2 verses pulled me right along, interesting creative. I was really expecting the song to kick into high gear when "So don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marshal Posted October 19, 2012 Members Share Posted October 19, 2012 The opening stanza confused me. Not a good way to start out; confused. I really do like:So don?t you say you?re in loveI don?t want to hear itI believe it he?s the one you wantI know you?ll be trading up . . . , (except for the silly question marks )And I love the: "Did you see me looking at her" lines. So, I'd consider putting the "So don't say" verse up front, or rewrite your original first verse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ontological Posted October 19, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 19, 2012 @Stickboy or Leonard: What microphones do you guys use for recording guitars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stickboymusic Posted October 19, 2012 Members Share Posted October 19, 2012 Originally Posted by Ontological @Stickboy or Leonard: What microphones do you guys use for recording guitars? I use the same mic for EVERYTHING mine is a Rode NTKIts more about the mic placement and being aware of noises.The fret noises are actually nice they are just too loud in the mix to a point where they become a little distracting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LeonardScaper Posted October 19, 2012 Members Share Posted October 19, 2012 I also use the same microphone for everything, although I'm working on an acoustic track right now using two. My main mic is a Peluso 22 251 tube condenser. I have also had great success using a Shure KSM32 which is a medium diameter capsule microphone that in incredibly.....honest. Perfect, really for capturing an acoustic guitar as that big ol' tube mic picks up everything and I have to be very conscious of any and all noises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oswlek Posted October 19, 2012 Members Share Posted October 19, 2012 Originally Posted by Ontological Up to that point the listener doesn't know. That was kind of the point. It seems a bit shocking to say what he's saying until later you realize he's right. The latter verse simply broadens the man's feeling of responsibility to the breakdown of the relationship. Makes sense? I'm not all that clever at explaining things. I can see what you are saying, but the contrast doesn't convey what you are going for, it doesn't pack the punch of a true revelation.I like the song, but to my ears it was over at 2:20. Everything after that felt extraneous, but melodically and lyrically. I'd also strongly consider retaking the vocals, it wasn't up to your usual standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Monkey Uncle Posted October 20, 2012 Members Share Posted October 20, 2012 Originally Posted by RickDieffenbach I was really expecting the song to kick into high gear when "So don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted October 20, 2012 Moderators Share Posted October 20, 2012 I listened to this last night through the little speaker on my iPhone (what a miracle of modern science that thing is) and it sounded great. The squeaks were a non issue there... but unfortunately they really are an issue here upon listen to this through a proper setup. First off... the song is awesome, and you can't separate the simple but very very cool soundscape you've created for it. Really, it all works as this way too cool symbiotic entity of writing, performance and arrangement/production. Really, really, nice. So the squeaks. Run the acoustic guitar track through a plugin de-essor. Use the listen function to tune the freq so that squeak is isolated, it will jump WAY out when you find the right frequency. Then take it out of listen and lower the threshold so it only attenuates when the squeak occurs. Make sure it doesn't engage but only on those squeaks. Set the amount of attenuation so the squeaks are still there but in a natural balance. done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted October 20, 2012 Moderators Share Posted October 20, 2012 I listened to this last night through the little speaker on my iPhone (what a miracle of modern science that thing is) and it sounded great. The squeaks were a non issue there... but unfortunately they really are an issue here upon listen to this through a proper setup. First off... the song is awesome, and you can't separate the simple but very very cool soundscape you've created for it. Really, it all works as this way too cool symbiotic entity of writing, performance and arrangement/production. Really, really, nice. So the squeaks. Run the acoustic guitar track through a plugin de-essor. Use the listen function to tune the freq so that squeak is isolated, it will jump WAY out when you find the right frequency. Then take it out of listen and lower the threshold so it only attenuates when the squeak occurs. Make sure it doesn't engage but only on those squeaks. Set the amount of attenuation so the squeaks are still there but in a natural balance. done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ontological Posted October 20, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2012 Originally Posted by Lee Knight I listened to this last night through the little speaker on my iPhone (what a miracle of modern science that thing is) and it sounded great. The squeaks were a non issue there... but unfortunately they really are an issue here upon listen to this through a proper setup. First off... the song is awesome, and you can't separate the simple but very very cool soundscape you've created for it. Really, it all works as this way too cool symbiotic entity of writing, performance and arrangement/production. Really, really, nice.So the squeaks. Run the acoustic guitar track through a plugin de-essor. Use the listen function to tune the freq so that squeak is isolated, it will jump WAY out when you find the right frequency. Then take it out of listen and lower the threshold so it only attenuates when the squeak occurs. Make sure it doesn't engage but only on those squeaks. Set the amount of attenuation so the squeaks are still there but in a natural balance. done. Awesome Lee! I was wondering if there was some editing trick to kill that noise. That would prevent me from having to re-record the entire guitar track twice, since i did two of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oswlek Posted October 20, 2012 Members Share Posted October 20, 2012 Originally Posted by Ontological Awesome Lee! I was wondering if there was some editing trick to kill that noise. That would prevent me from having to re-record the entire guitar track twice, since i did two of them. If you can't make that work, you could also automate the slides down. I've had to do that a few times and it works fine, though it takes longer than a single effect that will process the entire track in one step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ontological Posted October 20, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2012 Originally Posted by Lee Knight I listened to this last night through the little speaker on my iPhone (what a miracle of modern science that thing is) and it sounded great. The squeaks were a non issue there... but unfortunately they really are an issue here upon listen to this through a proper setup. First off... the song is awesome, and you can't separate the simple but very very cool soundscape you've created for it. Really, it all works as this way too cool symbiotic entity of writing, performance and arrangement/production. Really, really, nice.So the squeaks. Run the acoustic guitar track through a plugin de-essor. Use the listen function to tune the freq so that squeak is isolated, it will jump WAY out when you find the right frequency. Then take it out of listen and lower the threshold so it only attenuates when the squeak occurs. Make sure it doesn't engage but only on those squeaks. Set the amount of attenuation so the squeaks are still there but in a natural balance. done. Around what frequency do those squeaks generally occur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted October 21, 2012 Moderators Share Posted October 21, 2012 Originally Posted by Ontological Around what frequency do those squeaks generally occur? A shot in the dark here but... sweep between 2k and 5k. Find the loudest in listen mode and that's the center frequency of your squeak. The caveat is that the frequency is going to shift a little depending on the individual squeak. So search (sweep) through that area and find the ugliest (and it will be ugly in listen mode) and that's the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ontological Posted October 24, 2012 Author Members Share Posted October 24, 2012 Originally Posted by Marshal The opening stanza confused me. Not a good way to start out; confused. I really do like:So don?t you say you?re in loveI don?t want to hear itI believe it he?s the one you wantI know you?ll be trading up . . . , (except for the silly question marks )And I love the: "Did you see me looking at her" lines. So, I'd consider putting the "So don't say" verse up front, or rewrite your original first verse. Hey Marshall, The first verse is the man laying it on the line basically. Look I'm here or at least a relationship with me, it's here if you want it. I didn't think that would have had a chance at be confusing. I know it's vague if taken on it's own but considering the rest of the context I thought it was comprehensible enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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