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  • Has anyone read any of these books?

    Has anyone read any of these books on songwriting by Pat Pattison? He teaches songwriting at Berklee. Was thinking about picking up a book.



    http://www.amazon.ca/Songwriting-Wit...6846537&sr=8-2



    http://www.amazon.ca/Writing-Better-...d_bxgy_b_img_b



    http://www.amazon.ca/Songwriting-Ess...ref=pd_sim_b_2



    I watched this video and found it really interesting and insightful.




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNe5qFNJ7po







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  • #2
    I haven't read anything, but this forum went through a Pat Pattison kick a couple of months ago... to the point where I'm conscious of how I speak now. Can't say I've applied it too much to my music (yet), but I'm now listening to what words people accent in everyday speech.

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    • #3
      Yes, I have 'Essential guide to lyric form and structure'.

      It helps to get this stuff under the belt, so it can be pulled out and used when appropriate. Obviously sticking with all the 'rules' does not necessarily a good song make.

      Pat Pattison runs a degree course, so he packs a lot in, but knowledge is only knowledge. It takes understanding and experience to apply appropriately.
      'Music is your own experience, your thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn'.
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      • #4
        Oh dear God... I once owned Songwriting for Dummies. I learned more from listening to Richard Thompson than any book could teach me.
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        • #5
          Not to be rude. But whats is your aim? are you wishing to buy to gain knowledge (which you will apply later)? are you wishing to expand your thinking/prepective? or are you just after some improvement in your own craft and skills?
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          • #6
            I've read at least one of his books, but I don't remember which one. I've read just about every songwriting book in every library I've had a card to, which is into the dozens now. There's tons of good information out there--a lot of "oh, of course" moments that saved me a ton of time trying to intuit out the "rules". Rhyme schemes, song structures, types of songs, opening lines, the function of intros, choruses, bridges, codas, interludes, prechoruses, etc.--these are all things you can figure out by listening to a lot of music, but why not get it all downloaded in plain English? You've still got to do the work--listening to The Beatles, tuning in to Top 40 radio, analyzing what you're hearing, and, particularly, noticing the rule breakers and figure out what they've got going on--but reading a book (or a hundred books) to get the formal vocabulary in place is a great idea.
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            • #7
              I read all three. I'd start with Writing Better Lyrics.



              The Berklee one about structure is really DEEP. It's great, but could also have the effect of bogging one down. I tend to not get bogged down with this stuff but I know a lot of folks have mentioned how the minutia can distract. If any book has the potential to, this is it, but I found it a fantastic and very thorough exploration of lyric structure. Not rules, ideas to use or not.



              Writing Without Boundaries I didn't enjoy at all.
              Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

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              • #8
                Thanks for input, guys. I think I'll take Lee's suggestion and get the 'Writing Better Lyrics" book. I'll start with one of the books first, anymore at a time may seem overwhelming. Some people may be skeptical, but I think books are a great resource for improving your craft. I've already made good progress from reading Jason Blume's book
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                  Quote Originally Posted by davie
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                  Thanks for input, guys. I think I'll take Lee's suggestion and get the 'Writing Better Lyrics" book. I'll start with one of the books first, anymore at a time may seem overwhelming. Some people may be skeptical, but I think books are a great resource for improving your craft. I've already made good progress from reading Jason Blume's book




                  Yeah... good choice. And it is wise to get one. I've found that the most benefit comes from just going with the flow of a book. You most certainly don't have to agree with everything, but Pattison is really great at poking at those bits of your mind that are already at attention and bringing some light and sense to the things you've already been feeling intuitively. And he helps you make sense out of the stuff you already love. Sure, the guys that wrote that stuff didn't think about it, but it is stuff they did intuitively. He makes sense out a lot of that and helps us sort of wrap out minds and intuition around it. Very helpful for me.



                  He's one of those "aha!" kind of guys.
                  Thomas Jefferson said... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." hmmm...

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