Jump to content

Rhyming Dictionaries?!?! Or not...


Lee Knight

Recommended Posts

  • Moderators

I'd love to hear your working methods on compiling potential rhymes. I'm not so interested in why you feel someone else's method isn't very good, or the "right way", I'm more interested in how you do it. Do you use a rhyming dictionary? Do you prefer to use the pool of rhymes that come to you naturally? Do you have a mental only alphabetical approach?

 

For me... I always go for the natural approach initially. Sort of like the limerick game I used to play with me ol' Scot Grandpa Fred. What comes to mind first, let it happen. Relax and let the muse speak. Sometimes there's a lot there. This is the purge stage where I don't slow down for any sort of reference material. This is the "tap the old memory banks and personal experience library" phase. Au naturel. But I don't stop here...

 

Then... if and when I get stuck, I go to a rhyming dictionary. The online RhymeZone. http://www.rhymezone.com/

 

It's not bad in that it does include words that aren't necessarily spelled the same as the source word but still rhyme. A lot won't do this. For "wart" I get escort and court among lots of other entries.

 

Then, after I've compiled a list of potential rhymes based on how they fit into the current context of the song, I see what sort of line might pop out at me from the potential rhymes. Sometimes the perfect line just jumps out. Going back and forth between the written verse with a blank spot, and the list of possible and pertinent rhymes, I'll let my mind do its thing again, au naturel.

 

Purge, refine, purge, refine. Back and forth between research and inspiration. Which brings me to... my latest reference book find. I absolutely LOVE this rhyming dictionary.

 

Sue Young's the New Comprehensive American Rhyming Dictionary

http://www.amazon.com/New-Comprehensive-American-Rhyming-Dictionary/dp/0380713926

 

9781439505311[1].jpg

 

Sue Young is a linguist who set out to write an American pronunciation rhymer. This is not thrown together. And it's not stuffy. It includes slang, curse, etc. A rapper's treasure chest. And it is comprehensive.

It is among the recommended books in Jimmy Webb's Tunesmith. I finally got around to ordering it after a few years of thinking about and it came yesterday. WOW. What a unique rhyming dictionary. You don't look up words, you look up sounds. Ascertain the stressed vowel sound of a word, and go fishing. 

 

In Sue Young's world of rhyming, genitalia rhymes with never fail ya. This is a seriously excellent resource for those that find reference books of this sort to their liking. Anyway...

 

HOW DO YOU DO IT?

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

530abb23b3a3b.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

 


Lee Knight wrote:

 

 

Sue Young is a linguist who set out to write an
American
pronunciation rhymer. This is not thrown together. And it's not stuffy. It includes slang, curse, etc. A rapper's treasure chest. And it is comprehensive.

 

It is among the recommended books in Jimmy Webb's Tunesmith. I finally got around to ordering it after a few years of thinking about and it came yesterday. WOW. What a unique rhyming dictionary. You don't look up words, you look up sounds. Ascertain the stressed vowel sound of a word, and go fishing. 

 

 In Sue Young's world of rhyming,
genitalia
rhymes with
never fail ya
. This is a seriously excellent resource for those that find reference books of this sort to their liking. Anyway...

 

HOW DO YOU DO IT?

 

That sounds like a good one! Online rhyming dictionaries are woefully inadequate. And while Clement Wood's dictionary is more comprehensive, it is a bit old-fashioned.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I use rhymezone as well, usually after I get stuck.  Which means I either can't find a rhyme or the ones I do find seem lame or trite.  Sometimes I use the the rhyming dictionary as a memory aid.  The older I get the more often I seem to find myself grasping for that perfect word that is flitting around just beyond the edge of of my conciousness.  Like that guy's name you know or that movie you saw that is on the proverbial tip of your tongue, once you see it written or hear it aloud you say to yourself, "Of course, that's the one I was thinking of."  Often times that rhyme is right there in the list.   Other times, I try instead to find other words to substitute for the one I am trying to rhyme.  The delightful thing about the English language is the number of words with subtly different shades of meaning.  The inability to find the right rhyme can sometimes lead to finding an even better way to express the initial thought.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

 


saturn1 wrote:

 

 

The inability to find the right rhyme can sometimes lead to finding an even better way to express the initial thought.

 

Exactly. I would just add that it's not just a better way to express it but it often leads you to more novel and more interesting turns of phrase.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

 


LCK wrote:

 

 

Online rhyming dictionaries are woefully inadequate. And while Clement Wood's dictionary is more comprehensive, it is a bit old-fashioned.

 

That is why I prefer to use Rhyme Genie which extremely accurate and lets you limit potential rhymes to words that are actually suitable for lyrics. It can also find very close slant rhymes in case perfect rhymes are too uninspiring. Rhyme Genie's integrated thesaurus suggests syllable matching synonyms in case you get stuck.

I usually look up words in Rhyme Genie and collect possible rhymes in TuneSmith so I can easily pick up where I left off in prior writing sessions. It's no that I need a rhyming dictionary to write a good song but they can trigger new ideas and make my life a little easier.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

 


guitarville wrote:

 

 

I think a rhyming dictionary is great to expand ones knowledge of words. But I think when writing, if the word comes to you naturally, it's best to write with this  natural free flow of words coming to your mental imagery of thought.

 

I agree to an extnet, but sometimes tight unexpected rhymes can really make move the story along in a great way and often times the unexpected rhymes don't just come naturally.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

×
×
  • Create New...