Members J-town Drummer Posted July 30, 2002 Members Share Posted July 30, 2002 This post is more or less gonna be bashing Creed's drummer. I just have to vent a bit. I'm so sick of hearing about Scott Phillips and how good he supposedly is. He lacks originality. By this I mean simply that all one has to do is listen to the chorus of ANY Creed song. You'll hear Scott on the ride, and then go to those hi-hat accents over and over again. It's very annoying. The reason I'm saying all of this is because my band has a couple Creed songs in our set that we play, and it's very boring to have to do that same pattern for every chorus. I know, I could just drop that, and play my own thing, but usually, when I cover a song I try to more or less play the song the way it is off the CD. Anyway, sorry if this bothered anyone, and if you're a Creed fan, this isn't a shot at you. I just had to get this off my chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fafnir777 Posted July 30, 2002 Members Share Posted July 30, 2002 Vent away! Just remember the formula for pop music (which IS what Creed is): Music for The Masses=Music for Retards=Keep It Simple and Uncomplicated. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rumblebelly Posted July 30, 2002 Members Share Posted July 30, 2002 He's been playing only ten years, right? I read he started drumming at 18... I hate Creed too. If you don't like what he plays, add your own style to make the parts more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members woody431 Posted July 30, 2002 Members Share Posted July 30, 2002 Originally posted by J-town Drummer This post is more or less gonna be bashing Creed's drummer. I just have to vent a bit. I'm so sick of hearing about Scott Phillips and how good he supposedly is.He lacks originality. By this I mean simply that all one has to do is listen to the chorus of ANY Creed song. You'll hear Scott on the ride, and then go to those hi-hat accents over and over again. It's very annoying. The reason I'm saying all of this is because my band has a couple Creed songs in our set that we play, and it's very boring to have to do that same pattern for every chorus. I know, I could just drop that, and play my own thing, but usually, when I cover a song I try to more or less play the song the way it is off the CD.Anyway, sorry if this bothered anyone, and if you're a Creed fan, this isn't a shot at you. I just had to get this off my chest. Ditto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JSimms Posted July 30, 2002 Members Share Posted July 30, 2002 Originally posted by J-town Drummer This post is more or less gonna be bashing Creed's drummer. I just have to vent a bit. I'm so sick of hearing about Scott Phillips and how good he supposedly is.He lacks originality. By this I mean simply that all one has to do is listen to the chorus of ANY Creed song. You'll hear Scott on the ride, and then go to those hi-hat accents over and over again. It's very annoying. The reason I'm saying all of this is because my band has a couple Creed songs in our set that we play, and it's very boring to have to do that same pattern for every chorus. I know, I could just drop that, and play my own thing, but usually, when I cover a song I try to more or less play the song the way it is off the CD.Anyway, sorry if this bothered anyone, and if you're a Creed fan, this isn't a shot at you. I just had to get this off my chest. I had the same problem whe my band would play Pink Floyd. The music is great, but the drum parts are kind of bland. I just decided, {censored} it, I don't have to concentrate too hard here, I can listen to the music and have a good time. It worked for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members the other kyle Posted July 31, 2002 Members Share Posted July 31, 2002 someone posted he has been playing for 10 years!!!!oh my {censored}ing god, i have been playing for 5.5 years and i can play him into the ground about 3-4 times over. he sucks for playing 10 years, i can only imagine what i can do when i get to my 10 year mark...oh yeah, i hate creed. kyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crazydave Posted July 31, 2002 Members Share Posted July 31, 2002 Originally posted by the other kyle someone posted he has been playing for 10 years!!!!oh my {censored}ing god, i have been playing for 5.5 years and i can play him into the ground about 3-4 times over.he sucks for playing 10 years, i can only imagine what i can do when i get to my 10 year mark...oh yeah, i hate creed.kyle whatever dude ... just beacuse thats the way the guy plays like that in the band doesent meen thats what skill level he is at ... what he plays (boring as it may be) fits the music ... i think its alot harder to check your ego and play for the song rather than just for yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nozborne Posted July 31, 2002 Members Share Posted July 31, 2002 All I have to say is - YOUR MUM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rumblebelly Posted July 31, 2002 Members Share Posted July 31, 2002 Originally posted by the other kyle someone posted he has been playing for 10 years!!!! oh my {censored}ing god, i have been playing for 5.5 years and i can play him into the ground about 3-4 times over. he sucks for playing 10 years, i can only imagine what i can do when i get to my 10 year mark... oh yeah, i hate creed. kyle Hey, I was just defending the guy...I've never paid attention to his drum parts cause I switch the channel as soon as their tunes come on. Crazydave has a good point, maybe he could play your immature ass into the ground... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kingnome Posted July 31, 2002 Members Share Posted July 31, 2002 Originally posted by crazydave i think its alot harder to check your ego and play for the song rather than just for yourself This used to be a popular saying- "play for the song".--Don't hear that too much anymore....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members the other kyle Posted July 31, 2002 Members Share Posted July 31, 2002 immature ass am i? god damn you are {censored}ing lame.anyway...if he could be so great, then why would he want to be in a band where he can't show his talent (excluding money)? and the saying play for the song, or as i have heard it more often as the kiss theory, "keep it simple stupid" is really some 80s run off crap, only a few people i know really pay keep that in mind. i play for the song and for myself to expand the song by making it busy where it needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stapes2260 Posted July 31, 2002 Members Share Posted July 31, 2002 I don't know any household names of drummers that ever "played for the song" all the time. If you want people to notice you (not just drummers), then sometimes you have go over over the top once and a while. Bonham certainly went over the top on occasions, as does neil peart. Look how well known tommy lee is, attitude and flair go a long way. And do i even have to mention Keith Moon.......... The point is that sometimes marketing yourself is as important as your talent (if you're looking to make it). I'm not saying it's a replacement for talent, but it can certainly seperate you from the pack if you're looking to make yourself known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rotgut Posted July 31, 2002 Members Share Posted July 31, 2002 I guess the thing that bugs drummers the most is the fact guys like Phillips are given the title "Best Rock Drummer" because of the BANDS they are in are popular. I think it has always hurt the art of percussion because younger drummers see how easy this is and they settle for being a simple beat player. The true art of drumming gets lost, and these guys are actually cheating themselves out of something by not learning different styles,time signatures, and so on. I wish I would have practiced this sermon about 20 years ago. Maybe I would be talked about on this forum instead of Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bigjohn Posted July 31, 2002 Members Share Posted July 31, 2002 Well, I don't know if the dude from creed is a great drummer or not. What I do know is that he's playing in a band that's on top of the world right now making millions, selling out arenas and banging as many hot girls as he cares to Maybe it's just lottery luck, but the dude was obviously in the right place at the right time when he hooked up w/Creed and I bet anyone in here would love to be in his place, I know I would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rumblebelly Posted July 31, 2002 Members Share Posted July 31, 2002 Originally posted by the other kyle immature ass am i? god damn you are {censored}ing lame.anyway...if he could be so great, then why would he want to be in a band where he can't show his talent (excluding money)? Why am I lame? You sure sound pretty damn immature to me. You spout off insults without substance. How intelligent. Might wanna stop diggin' yourself a hole. Maybe he likes the music, that's why he's in the band. Maybe the guys in the band are his best buds. You aren't too bright, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DarthWader Posted August 1, 2002 Members Share Posted August 1, 2002 Hey hey now, I am no Creed fan, but let us not bash the man simply for playing simply. It's pretty easy for any of us to say "aw, hell, I could wipe the floor with his ass! he sucks! I am five gazillion billion kajillion times better than him!" because who will really ever know? We're all behind a computer screen anyway. Now, I know it's sad that he gets recognized as the "best new drummer" and all that, it sucks but it's a popularity contest and Creed is damn popular. However, let's keep in mind that simplicity can be really great. Like Hootie and the Blowfish - I love the band, the music, and the drummer. He too does nothing but simple stuff and I like it that way! So when your band hits the limelight, you go out there and play as complexly as you would like. Until then, well he's the one that's being paid to play. Oh, as I said, I am no Creed fan, and I too get sick of hearing about him. Just relaying my thoughts. Wade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elimin8r Posted August 1, 2002 Members Share Posted August 1, 2002 bashing=nono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pconn171 Posted August 1, 2002 Members Share Posted August 1, 2002 Originally posted by Bigjohn Well, I don't know if the dude from creed is a great drummer or not. What I do know is that he's playing in a band that's on top of the world right now making millions, selling out arenas and banging as many hot girls as he cares to Maybe it's just lottery luck, but the dude was obviously in the right place at the right time when he hooked up w/Creed and I bet anyone in here would love to be in his place, I know I would just to support you here - people love this band and has anybody even considered the fact that the drummer is in the band too - if you put someone else in his seat - would the band still be as popular from the get go - that's a question the should be posed - it's like the music would be different no matter how you look at it - no two drummers sound alike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Maniac Posted August 2, 2002 Members Share Posted August 2, 2002 Originally posted by woody431 Ditto! Ditto on top of your ditto Although I think some of the songs are good... Remember he does what he needs to do, and he's very tight live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crazydave Posted August 2, 2002 Members Share Posted August 2, 2002 Originally posted by Maniac Ditto on top of your ditto Although I think some of the songs are good... Remember he does what he needs to do, and he's very tight live. thats tru ... he is very tight live ... when they came down to Australia i went to see them (Sevendust were opening for them but they pulled out:() and scott philips was right on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members braindonor35 Posted August 2, 2002 Members Share Posted August 2, 2002 I think Kyle should post some mp3's of his playing;) And if ppl spent half as much time praciticng as they do bitching, maybe they'd be the next great one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crazydave Posted August 2, 2002 Members Share Posted August 2, 2002 Originally posted by braindonor35 I think Kyle should post some mp3's of his playing;) And if ppl spent half as much time praciticng as they do bitching, maybe they'd be the next great one. nod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dudealicious Posted August 2, 2002 Members Share Posted August 2, 2002 How does: Music for the Masses=Music for Retards? i admit, i think most people that listen to Creed are kinda retarded, but i like thier 2nd cd, so am i retarded too? music is too subjective to be argued about, so we should stop arguing. but we never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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