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  • #2
    just my take....if he is not willing to practice the required material that you are intending to do, i would have to question his dedication for a group effort to begin with. On the other hand, how good of a practice can you have without a bass player. Ive never heard of a 2 piece band unless they are looping everything needed to fill in the parts. If you are then tempo should not be a problem. If he does not suit what you are trying to accomplish........look elsewhere, its pretty simple. "Bands" are a lot of give and take........If you are planning on adding members....concentrate on that, and then take the practices seriously.

    Also, some drummers have good natural timing and some don,t.

    If you plan on being a duo.....it takes good musicians to do that...maybe he just cant cut that mustard.
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    • #3
      record or film yourself playing the tune at the correct tempo. then give them to him to listen to while he practices. if he does it it should work. if he doesnt find a different drummer.

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          On the other hand, how good of a practice can you have without a bass player. Ive never heard of a 2 piece band unless they are looping everything needed to fill in the parts.


          This seems kind of...odd thinking to me.
          Why does one need a bass player to have a good practice?

          And you've never heard of the White Stripes or dozens of other duos that came in their footsteps?

          To the OP:

          No need for a bassist if you've decided you don't want one, and certainly no need to have one, or loops, etc. to have a good practice.
          If your drummer can't/won't work on his own to get better at your songs, with or without a metronome, I'd can him.
          If he can't work on his own to get his overall tempo better, I'd can him.
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          • #6
            finding band members is tuff.............seems like you got the wrong guy for the job.
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            • #7
              Even fooling around with a metronome will help--if he's having trouble with timing, he needs a metronome. There are no two ways about that.

              Does he know that it's not that hard to practice your songs? All he really needs to do is write out the map (intro-verse-chorus-etc), number of bars for each section and style of the tune. If there are any breaks or stops, he'll need to note them somehow and do it often enough to remember. If he thinks he needs to memorize your part, he's wrong. Maybe that's why he isn't practicing? (Then again, if he's avoiding it because he thinks it's too hard, there are probably some deeper issues with him as a drummer!)

              Having a bassist is nice--but shouldn't be a crutch.
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                This seems kind of...odd thinking to me.
                Why does one need a bass player to have a good practice?

                And you've never heard of the White Stripes or dozens of other duos that came in their footsteps?

                To the OP:

                No need for a bassist if you've decided you don't want one, and certainly no need to have one, or loops, etc. to have a good practice.
                If your drummer can't/won't work on his own to get better at your songs, with or without a metronome, I'd can him.
                If he can't work on his own to get his overall tempo better, I'd can him.


                sometimes a good bass player can straighten and work with the drummer to get past his/her issues. I find it strange the OP called themselves a band to begin with...then said they were a duo.??? Never listened to any duo's so to speak. Not saying they can,t sound good.....I just think its tuffer to make music sound more fuller.
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                    If you haven't talked with your drummer about the issue first then I doubt your integrity with him will be worth anything. I'll go so far as to bet that if you just decide to set up to record without being straight up with him will create more issues if you don't already have others outside of his playing.

                    But the recording thing IS a sobering experience.
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                            Reading back it's not so much a tempo issue in and of itself. He seems to have no desire to learn the music on his own which is going to continue to be a problem. Real simple to me. Let him know that he needs to invest some time into it or move on to a drummer who will.
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                              Reading back it's not so much a tempo issue in and of itself. He seems to have no desire to learn the music on his own which is going to continue to be a problem. Real simple to me. Let him know that he needs to invest some time into it or move on to a drummer who will.


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