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  • #16
    In pop genres the whole thing is sell, sell, cell, so you have this vain mindset that routinely spews hyperbole. Most drumming there occurs in bad mediums - you just can't quantify perfect. Matter of fact, perfect execution often sucks but for the execution; Yngwie being my favorite example. Superlatives like 'great' are overused and often misapplied.

    You need to broaden the focus and consider the material and the context(s) before any scale of accomplishment has any relevance.


    By perfect I meant a drummer who blends in w/ the music and pushes the band by playing the song . Its impossible to describe but you can really feel it and its rare .When you gotta drummer like this playing a gig just becomes easier than w/ a competent drummer who plays well but doesnt quite have this magic touch . I did not mean super hot chops . I didnt want to talk genre much other than Im referring to rock music in general ,that could include pop or whatever but you see it gets overcomplicated when you do that . Im not talking about jazz ,super heavy metal ,just middle of the road basic rock .

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    • #17
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      • #18
        By perfect I meant a drummer who blends in w/ the music and pushes the band by playing the song . Its impossible to describe but you can really feel it and its rare .When you gotta drummer like this playing a gig just becomes easier than w/ a competent drummer who plays well but doesnt quite have this magic touch . I did not mean super hot chops . I didnt want to talk genre much other than Im referring to rock music in general ,that could include pop or whatever but you see it gets overcomplicated when you do that . Im not talking about jazz ,super heavy metal ,just middle of the road basic rock .


        Alright. I use the expression 'just right'. That's as good as it can gets. 'Course guys with different tayze will always argue.
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        • #19


          Better have your ears checked.
          "If you can't SAY something with your instrument, try sellin' cars."-
          The late, great Tony Williams

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          — Sonor Designer Maple shell (heavy) 8 pc. for studio
          — Premier Genista 7 pc. for live gigs
          — Tama Silverstar "Metro" 4pc. for certain live gigs.
          — Paiste, Bosphorus and Sabian cymbals, depending on what I'm doin'.
          — Small collection of assorted snare drums to suit my mood.

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          • #20
            If Neil Peart tried to play white stripes stuff with jack white it would sound like ****************. well ok not like ****************, but it would sound way to robotic and kill what's great about the white stripes.

            If Meg played with rush.....well....she just simply couldn't.

            it's not always about "talent". But it is ALWAYS about giving the music what IT needs.

            Can you imagine Thomas Lang playing with James Brown???? uggghhh..

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            • #21
              Can you imagine Thomas Lang playing with James Brown???? uggghhh..


              Yes, I could. Lang is a great drummer, and a seasoned session player that can play or handle any situation. That's what a great drummer can do....anything.
              You are making an assumption, because of his over the top stuff, that he is incapable of playing otherwise. Total bull****************. I've heard commercial jingles he's done, and you'd swear it could be Hal Blaine.
              That is one of the all time rancid cliche's in music, that a musician that is capable of inhuman feats on their instrument can't play simple when required, is just rubbish, but the converse is definitely true.
              "If you can't SAY something with your instrument, try sellin' cars."-
              The late, great Tony Williams

              www.russleonardi.com
              www.zephyrsound.com
              — Sonor Designer Maple shell (heavy) 8 pc. for studio
              — Premier Genista 7 pc. for live gigs
              — Tama Silverstar "Metro" 4pc. for certain live gigs.
              — Paiste, Bosphorus and Sabian cymbals, depending on what I'm doin'.
              — Small collection of assorted snare drums to suit my mood.

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              • #22
                I think there is a lot more to the players you see, then just what is on the u-tube videos and circulated stuff......the big name guys may be known for one style...but I guarantee they learned and can play many styles along the way. Peart is a decent big band player......his tribute to Buddy, the solo was him....but when he played with the band it blended nicely. Thats diversity. I would imagine if Thomas Lang showed up years ago at one of our opry shows, the man could have taught me a thing or two...
                Jack of all trades....Master of none...

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                • #23
                  Meg White is the best
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                  • #24
                    Peart is a decent big band player......his tribute to Buddy, the solo was him....but when he played with the band it blended nicely.


                    OOF!
                    Are you referring to the Burning for Buddy vids from the early 90's?

                    We'll have to disagree: IMO, Peart was clearly not in his element. His playing was stiff, lacked any swing or life, he was not driving the band, but rather playing.his.robotic.part.in.purely.mathematical.te rms...
                    And his kit sounded like ass.

                    I HAVE heard from folks who are into him that he spent time since getting better at swing/jazz, etc.
                    Can't imagine him doing worse...
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                    • #25
                      THEY SEE YOU TROLLIN'!!!

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                      Tryin to catch me trollin' dirty.
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                      • #26
                        Yes, I could. Lang is a great drummer, and a seasoned session player that can play or handle any situation. That's what a great drummer can do....anything.
                        You are making an assumption, because of his over the top stuff, that he is incapable of playing otherwise. Total bull****************. I've heard commercial jingles he's done, and you'd swear it could be Hal Blaine.
                        That is one of the all time rancid cliche's in music, that a musician that is capable of inhuman feats on their instrument can't play simple when required, is just rubbish, but the converse is definitely true.


                        Jack of all trades master of nothing...well...I take that back..he is a master at 4 way independence but.....no thanks....he's stiff and lifeless in my opinion.

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                        • #27
                          OOF!
                          Are you referring to the Burning for Buddy vids from the early 90's?

                          We'll have to disagree: IMO, Peart was clearly not in his element. His playing was stiff, lacked any swing or life, he was not driving the band, but rather playing.his.robotic.part.in.purely.mathematical.te rms...
                          And his kit sounded like ass.

                          I HAVE heard from folks who are into him that he spent time since getting better at swing/jazz, etc.
                          Can't imagine him doing worse...


                          yep...he pretty much ****************ing sucked as a swing drummer. He's just to straight.

                          I mean this is better than I would do but still......



                          Even an average jazz cat would blow the doors off of this performance...

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                          • #28
                            yeah, I respect Peart with his accomplishments in Rush. But him playing with Buddy's band was totally ridiculous. That's like Elton John leading Return to Forever.

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                            • #29
                              Not to defend Peart but everybody on the list - Chambers, Weckl, was Vinnie there? ... was lame. The regular guy prolly blows 'em all. Not to mention the scores of other capable legit band drummers around. Sorri, listened to way too much BR band in my life. lol
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                              • #30
                                Not Marvin Smith...he was awesome on the BR tribute. A true Jazz player that one.

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