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  • Drummers - I need your help/input/advice about an agressive, loud drummer

    I'm starting up a cover band with a seasoned pro who is genuinely nice, but is also uber aggressive on his kit. I am playing through a 212 and its barely hanging in there against him. He says it sounds fine and is ok with it - but I insist its not as much for him as it is for me.

    I dont really want to have to get a bigger/louder amp, but I also dont quite know how to effectively communicate with this guy to get him to ease up and not hit so hard like godzilla on his drums.

    I think hes used to playing with guys who have stacks and it was never an issue - as he makes no apologies and shows no sign of compromising his heavy hands. We just met and I dont wanna make any rifts by insisting he ease up - but I really dont wanna have to upgrade my gear just to compete with his thrashing.

    Any suggestions on how to approach this kind of guy to get him to understand or at least take the hint and tone it down?

  • #2
    "he makes no apologies and shows no sign of compromising his heavy hands"

    Perhaps you need to change your definition of "seasoned pro".
    I used to have a handle on life, but I gotta jiggle it every now and then.

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    • #3
      Is this in rehearsal or at gigs?

      In either case, Politely explain that while it may sound just right to him, the nature of drum kit set ups means more sound is projecting out/away from his position, and he'll have to accept your assessment on things and adjust accordingly.

      Otherwise...sayonara.
      For cripe's sake, somebody buy that kid a freaking DICTIONARY already!

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      • #4
        "he makes no apologies and shows no sign of compromising his heavy hands"

        Perhaps you need to change your definition of "seasoned pro".



        Do you suggest I just be blunt and politely insist he tone it down? Is it assumed among drummers that knowing when to tone it down is important?

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        • #5
          "he makes no apologies and shows no sign of compromising his heavy hands"

          Perhaps you need to change your definition of "seasoned pro".


          +1. If hes so great he will have no problem finding another band that fits him better. In the meantime, WHILE he learns to have more dynamic technique, you can try asking that he use lighter, smaller sticks, with wood tips over nylon. Thats about the only thing I can think of hardware wise to make things quieter. (Ignore brushes, they will likely be too soft and are intended for certain applications.)

          Step two is you tell him to get with it as a band, or find a new drummer.
          -Merlin Coryell-
          www.facebook.com/merlincoryelldrums
          City - Metal from Portland, OR
          www.facebook.com/ndcity
          Mapex Drums; Zildjian & Sabian cymbals
          Axis &; Gibraltar Hardware, Evans & Remo Heads
          Alesis DM10; ProMark sticks
          ESP Guitars, Line6 Stuffs &; Junk

          In Requiem - Marko46

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          • #6
            Do you suggest I just be blunt and politely insist he tone it down? Is it assumed among drummers that knowing when to tone it down is important?


            No.

            It's assumed among MUSICIANS that it is.
            For cripe's sake, somebody buy that kid a freaking DICTIONARY already!

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            • #7
              These guys are right bud. If he is a seasoned as you say this shouldnt be an issue. You though need to not be afraid of offending the dude. Tell him what is up and if he blows you off then fire him. Good drummers arent that hard to find.
              PDP MX/80'S YAMAHA TURBO TOUR CUSTOM

              Sabian Xs20
              -14" Hats
              -14" Crash
              -16" Crash
              -18" Crash
              -20" Ride
              -10" Splash

              Zildjan
              -80's New Beat Hats
              -16" Medium Ride

              Paiste
              -10" Splash

              China
              -16"China

              End the socialist regime and may WE THE PEOPLE take back our Country!!!

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              • #8
                Just talk to him
                great googley moogley- Frank ZappaMissing the CHEESE And MarkoHit it!__________if you can't spot the crazy one on the bus, it's probably you..............Cdawg________Good Sellers/Marko46,lossforgain x2

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                • #9
                  Thanks for the heads up fellas - at least now I know I'm within my rights to ask him to settle down, So, if he doesnt, then that means hes being a tool and I can either suck it up or one of us walks.

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                  • #10
                    Talk to the others in the band. If you guys are on the same page, and he cant get with it, then he isnt the best fit for you. That isnt being rude or anything, just something he should appreciate too. I wouldnt want to play with a group I didnt fit with, thats why I left country music.
                    -Merlin Coryell-
                    www.facebook.com/merlincoryelldrums
                    City - Metal from Portland, OR
                    www.facebook.com/ndcity
                    Mapex Drums; Zildjian & Sabian cymbals
                    Axis &; Gibraltar Hardware, Evans & Remo Heads
                    Alesis DM10; ProMark sticks
                    ESP Guitars, Line6 Stuffs &; Junk

                    In Requiem - Marko46

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                    • #11
                      What Merlyn said, do that and you will be fine!
                      PDP MX/80'S YAMAHA TURBO TOUR CUSTOM

                      Sabian Xs20
                      -14" Hats
                      -14" Crash
                      -16" Crash
                      -18" Crash
                      -20" Ride
                      -10" Splash

                      Zildjan
                      -80's New Beat Hats
                      -16" Medium Ride

                      Paiste
                      -10" Splash

                      China
                      -16"China

                      End the socialist regime and may WE THE PEOPLE take back our Country!!!

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                      • #12
                        I don't have alot of experience playing with other musicians, but nothing makes it a chore more than playing with one who plays for himself.
                        What we need here is some ass kickin hard drivin hotter than yo mamma's meatloaf rock-n-roll!

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                        • #13
                          I take it that the 212 don't go to 11?
                          I used to have a handle on life, but I gotta jiggle it every now and then.

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                          • #14
                            It's possible he might be a "pro" who has always played with sound reinforcement & never had to work dynamically - I know some guys even have practice spots like that. Just say it honestly - if he can't respond reasonably or understand & adjust, probably not the right guy/situation.

                            ...or you might be a ******************** with lame equipment - no offense, I just don't know.

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                            • #15
                              It's possible he might be a "pro" who has always played with sound reinforcement & never had to work dynamically - I know some guys even have practice spots like that. Just say it honestly - if he can't respond reasonably or understand & adjust, probably not the right guy/situation.

                              ...or you might be a ******************** with lame equipment - no offense, I just don't know.


                              I think your dead-on with your first comment. I am nice & my equipment is good - I'm no push over and I come prepared.

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