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  • Ready to drop some real cash, drum recommendations?

    Planning on moving up from a PDP Fusion Birch set to something nicer but I need some input. What lines/brands should I look for? What are good prices (used preferably)?



    I'm looking at:



    Peavey Radial Pro 1000

    DW Collectors

    Tama Starclassic

    SJC Drums

    Truth...



    Brand isn't as important to me as sound. We're a 4 piece rock/prog/metal band. I plan on spending around $1K-$2K on just shells. We're looking for a deep and punchy bass drum sound.



    I'm also curious about Saluda cymbals as well.
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    My rig:
    Edwards ELP-112LTS/RE

    Butler Silver Hammer
    ISP Vector SL
    Kafel 412


    List of Over 40+ Good Deals on HC!!!
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    Id go with anything that has a 22x17-18 kick. While I dont have direct experience, I am told that Oak shells are terriffic for metal and rock where low, punchy sound is desired. I am hoping to have oak for my next kit, and there are a few big names that make them. If I remember right, thinner shells are desired for deeper sound too, so if you get some really thin <6ply I would opt for reinforcement rings.



    Cant say anything about Saluda. What kind of cymbal sound are you after? I have had great luck with A Customs, and AAX cymbals for metal/rock applications if you want a shorter, but bright sound to cut over the low end of the drums and guitars without tons of mics.
    -Merlin Coryell-
    www.facebook.com/merlincoryelldrums
    City - Metal from Portland, OR
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    Mapex Drums; Zildjian & Sabian cymbals
    Axis &; Gibraltar Hardware, Evans & Remo Heads
    Alesis DM10; ProMark sticks
    ESP Guitars, Line6 Stuffs &; Junk

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      Quote Originally Posted by Merlin Coryell
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      Id go with anything that has a 22x17-18 kick. While I dont have direct experience, I am told that Oak shells are terriffic for metal and rock where low, punchy sound is desired. I am hoping to have oak for my next kit, and there are a few big names that make them. If I remember right, thinner shells are desired for deeper sound too, so if you get some really thin <6ply I would opt for reinforcement rings.



      Cant say anything about Saluda. What kind of cymbal sound are you after? I have had great luck with A Customs, and AAX cymbals for metal/rock applications if you want a shorter, but bright sound to cut over the low end of the drums and guitars without tons of mics.




      Thanks, I'll look into Oak drums. For cymbal sounds I really want to experiment as I have no idea what I'm looking for since I haven't tried much at all and have very limited experience.
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      My rig:
      Edwards ELP-112LTS/RE

      Butler Silver Hammer
      ISP Vector SL
      Kafel 412


      List of Over 40+ Good Deals on HC!!!
      .

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      • #4






        Quote Originally Posted by vangkm
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        Thanks, I'll look into Oak drums. For cymbal sounds I really want to experiment as I have no idea what I'm looking for since I haven't tried much at all and have very limited experience.




        I reccommend the same approach to the drums too. Experiment and play around on as many as you can. And pay attention to the tuning/head combos. A trip to a GC can be misleading if you dont watch out for this, as a cheap Pacific with well tuned Evans or Remos might sound better than a DW or Tama with factory heads that the kids have bashed out of tune.



        Id take others who know what you are after in sound, and have them listen from various spots in the room if possible.
        -Merlin Coryell-
        www.facebook.com/merlincoryelldrums
        City - Metal from Portland, OR
        www.facebook.com/ndcity
        Mapex Drums; Zildjian & Sabian cymbals
        Axis &; Gibraltar Hardware, Evans & Remo Heads
        Alesis DM10; ProMark sticks
        ESP Guitars, Line6 Stuffs &; Junk

        In Requiem - Marko46

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        • #5






          Quote Originally Posted by vangkm
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          Peavey Radial Pro 1000

          DW Collectors

          Tama Starclassic

          SJC Drums

          Truth....




          Truth are just Keller shells and are HORRIBLY over-priced, as a head's up. I'd also say check out the Tama Starclassic Bubinga (punchy rock sound) and Yamaha Oak Custom drums.



          You can't go wrong with DW if you can afford them (they're all really nice), and Pearl Reference Series are top o' the line beauties, too.



          If I had $1-2k to toss at shells, I'd end up with one of the Starclassic lines, myself. That's still in my dream spectrum, though I've really fallen in love with much of what Yamaha offers.
          Music, music, I hear music
          Fitch Drums - The Blog for the Aspiring Non-Professional Drummer

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            Quote Originally Posted by vangkm
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            Peavey Radial Pro 1000

            DW Collectors

            Tama Starclassic

            SJC Drums

            Truth....




            Truth are just Keller shells and are HORRIBLY over-priced, as a head's up. I'd also say check out the Tama Starclassic Bubinga (punchy rock sound) and Yamaha Oak Custom drums.



            You can't go wrong with DW if you can afford them (they're all really nice), and Pearl Reference Series are top o' the line beauties, too.



            If I had $1-2k to toss at shells, I'd end up with one of the Starclassic lines, myself. That's still in my dream spectrum, though I've really fallen in love with much of what Yamaha offers.
            Music, music, I hear music
            Fitch Drums - The Blog for the Aspiring Non-Professional Drummer

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            • #7
              Just for perspective, for the drum lines you are talking about, $1k up to even $1.5k isn't really much of a budget, especially if you're buying individual drums vs. a shell-pack (which is usually the case for higher-end drums).



              Consider your kick drum alone will likely run in the $500-600 range alone, minimum...



              Unless you're planning on playing a 3 or 4 piece, you will likely need to up your budget.



              Yes, there are quality kits available in the general range ou mentioned, but from going through the exact same exercise myself numerous times...closer to, and over $2k is usually what I'd net out at for a 1up/2down kit.
              For cripe's sake, somebody buy that kid a freaking DICTIONARY already!

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              • #8
                Thanks for the head's up on Truth. I want to grab them used so I can be patient and wait for a good deal to come along. We're not in a hurry to upgrade so we can afford to wait a bit. I'm just curious as to what brands/models I should keep a lookout for used.
                .

                My rig:
                Edwards ELP-112LTS/RE

                Butler Silver Hammer
                ISP Vector SL
                Kafel 412


                List of Over 40+ Good Deals on HC!!!
                .

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                • #9
                  Just for perspective, for the drum lines you are talking about, $1k up to even $1.5k isn't really much of a budget, especially if you're buying individual drums vs. a shell-pack (which is usually the case for higher-end drums).



                  Consider your kick drum alone will likely run in the $500-600 range alone, minimum...



                  Unless you're planning on playing a 3 or 4 piece, you will likely need to up your budget.



                  Yes, there are quality kits available in the general range ou mentioned, but from going through the exact same exercise myself numerous times...closer to, and over $2k is usually what I'd net out at for a 1up/2down kit.
                  For cripe's sake, somebody buy that kid a freaking DICTIONARY already!

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                  • #10
                    Another one to consider for rock/metal is the Mapex Saturn. I was considering getting this, but I didn't have the $ so I went with a PDP platinum kit for about $600, which is a decent value in my opinion, especially for my 1st drum kit. The Saturn sounded really good though and isn't very expensive new or used (compared to the brands you listed). Guitar Center's used gear section is pretty good from personal experience. You can get the email addresses for the people at the GC that carry the item on the site and you can get extra pictures, have them answer questions and haggle on pricing. I got a pretty decent deal on my snare drum by doing this, and the product was in really good shape for being "used". You can also return it right away at any guitar center if you don't like the item. You just eat the shipping cost, which is fairly low for a kit (they quoted me at $35 when I was looking to get a full shell pack).



                    For cymbals, I have and really like Paiste Signatures and Paiste Dark Energy cymbals. I hit a bunch of other stuff, but it didn't appeal to me the same way.
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                    • #11
                      Or you can build your own kit with parts from a place like Drum Supply House in Tennessee or Precision Drum in New York.
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                      • #12
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                        • #13
                          All great choices! I've been checking out Dream Cymbals and the Dark Matter line looks/sounds very interesting but pricey!
                          .

                          My rig:
                          Edwards ELP-112LTS/RE

                          Butler Silver Hammer
                          ISP Vector SL
                          Kafel 412


                          List of Over 40+ Good Deals on HC!!!
                          .

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                          • #14






                            Quote Originally Posted by Consume
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                            Or you can build your own kit with parts from a place like Drum Supply House in Tennessee or Precision Drum in New York.




                            And I would say, again, up the budget...



                            Got depressed when I priced it a kit that would be exactly what I wanted, in exactly the config/dimensions and features I wanted, and realized I was around $1900 for three toms and a kick, without a matching snare, rather than the $1-1.2k I initially budgeted for a 5 piece.

                            That sent me in another direction, and I'm more than happy with what I got, but hokee smokes did that turn a lightbulb on for me...
                            For cripe's sake, somebody buy that kid a freaking DICTIONARY already!

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                            • #15
                              Find a mom and pop shop......they can cut you deals on nice kits if they are dealers. Last time I was in st. louis, a shop there had a nice new reference kit by Pearl for just under 2 grand.
                              Jack of all trades....Master of none...

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