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  • Scale Shape (beginner Graal)

    Some things are so obvious that we never talk about them.
    Do you ever visualize scales this way on your fretboard ?



    This is for the key of C. Your bass being a symetric instrument, the same shapes can be found in every key.
    The idea is to remember the position of the root in them (greyed fret).
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    Starting from there, you never have to wonder what notes you can play or not.
    Also, you instantly know if the 3rd is major or minor, the 6th diminued or not, etc.
    The whole fretboard can be represented with an alternance of these 2 shapes :




    The first drawing is just them together.
    If you know where you are in the shapes AND realize which degree it is, you can hardly get lost.
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    You can mentally "slide" the next drawing around the upper chart and you instantly know which degrees can be used.
    Of course, it's only useful for one note at a time, so it's only important to remember the position of one note compared to the root.

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  • #2
    thinking about it this way makes it real easy to stay in key,,,,

    i base alot of my songs in c major, a minor, or b locrian, then i always stay on those notes
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    • #3
      Not that extravagantly, I just use:

      
      						
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      • #4
        its cool...i have only learned the basic two shapes for scales..
        mrcrow

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jazz Ad
          Actually, the whole fretboard can be represented with these 2 shapes.





          The above drawing is just them together.
          If you know where you are in the shapes AND realize which degree it is, you can hardly get lost.

          i may be incoroporating a bit of that at present
          i tend to use a linear scale shape since the top string can be a bit thin when moving from the A string across the neck..
          i only occasionally go for the full octave stretch on one string except to get a glide up or down the music.
          however these look a bit more concise...
          where you getting all this stuff now.

          ps you asked me some time ago about saxes and jazz..??
          i didnt give you a very positive feedback i dont think
          mrcrow

          This is the age of vast knowledge and lost wisdom......banta

          Light thickens, and the crow
          Makes wing to the rooky wood:
          Good things of day begin to droop, and drowze;
          While night's black agents to their preys do rouze..macbeth/w.s.

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          • #6
            I'm getting this stuff fom my head.
            Just playing with Excel for now.

            When I have students I always make them draw these shapes. Way to remember them.
            I also have them filling big annoying tables with all degrees in all tonalities.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jazz Ad
              I'm getting this stuff fom my head.
              Just playing with Excel for now.

              you f***in modest genius..
              regards..
              mrcrow

              This is the age of vast knowledge and lost wisdom......banta

              Light thickens, and the crow
              Makes wing to the rooky wood:
              Good things of day begin to droop, and drowze;
              While night's black agents to their preys do rouze..macbeth/w.s.

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              • #8
                That's cool JA. Could this be slid into the FAQ?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by meegaleedo
                  That's cool JA. Could this be slid into the FAQ?
                  Sure.
                  I could keep on.
                  Actually, I realized yesterday at the practise that my mind was not as sharp as it used to be on scales, degrees and all.
                  We should discuss it more on the board, so I would exercise theory the same way I do with my english.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jazz Ad
                    Sure.
                    I could keep on.
                    Actually, I realized yesterday at the practise that my mind was not as sharp as it used to be on scales, degrees and all.
                    We should discuss it more on the board, so I would exercise theory the same way I do with my english.


                    English and theory discussions work for me.

                    For me, the one largest leap in my theory knowledge was learning, from this board was that a scale was the representation of the Key. And the concepts of modes helped also. Before all I was confident to do was roots, 3rds and 5ths.

                    I am still a theory neophyte but I really try and absorb as much as I can.
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                    • #11
                      We're all neophytes. Most of us, at least.
                      Usually, the day you understand modes, it's like discovering the way the whole universe works.
                      It was for me at least.
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                      • #12
                        Yea I have a guitar scale book by Troy Stetina...the thing is wicked....I have no clue how one would remember ALL these scales..

                        I would stick mostly to blues and jazz scales.
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                        • #13
                          for a good blues scale try this (eg. is in G) Hold the pattern and play wherever you want. It's basically a natural minor with no 2nd or 6th and the flat 5th incorporated.

                          -----------------------------------
                          ---------------------3--5-------------
                          -----------3--4--5-----------------------
                          ----3--6-----------------------------

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jazz Ad
                            We're all neophytes. Most of us, at least.
                            Usually, the day you understand modes, it's like discovering the way the whole universe works.
                            It was for me at least.


                            +1
                            That's exactly what happened to me. And led me to learn how much deeper the subject is.

                            As far as exercising the theory, you have not had anyone to argue with about it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by the_grouse_mouse
                              for a good blues scale try this (eg. is in G) Hold the pattern and play wherever you want. It's basically a natural minor with no 2nd or 6th and the flat 5th incorporated.

                              -----------------------------------
                              ---------------------3--5-------------
                              -----------3--4--5-----------------------
                              ----3--6-----------------------------

                              Mouse


                              Yea thats part of a G blues scale I found for guitar that I just play just the first octave on with bass

                              its a really cool lick, I actually wrote a bassline bassed on it..kinda cool. its a powertab file.
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