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    I'm thinking about getting a new combo amp to play bass with. Only need something large enough to cover small clubs as larger clubs will have the bass going out through the PA. Currently have a Hartke Kickback 12. Used to have an Acoustic 136 a long time ago. So I'm thinking that the amp will have to be physically somewhere between the Kickback and 136 in size. (Both are single speaker units about 100 watts of power.) Maybe just a better speaker for the Kickback? (JBL making 12" bass drivers? Will look that up.) I'm not into shaking the room or playing so deep that you can't actually hear the notes. Suggestions? Any good experiences? I'm not against buying used and expecting to replace the driver. I love the size and functionality of the kickback. When I had the 136 I was much younger and it didn't seem heavy then. (Pretty sure I might feel differently at 61.)

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    A quick search didn't turn up anything from JBL. Still, plenty of brands available if you want to go that route. The Kickback 12 does have an external speaker jack so a second cab might give you more output.
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    • #3
      It's never been a question of quantity. I don't play loud and if I just wanted more volume, I've got a 4x10 Sunn cabinet and a 1x15 Hartke speaker with a 350 watt amp. I consider that small outdoor venue stuff. Don't really know why I'm thinking about this. I do remember a few amps that made impressions on me. One was the Bassman 10 with 4x10 speaker setup. The other that really sticks in my mind was the Kasino Snake Eyes. (Except that one isn't small.) I probably should take my bass into some music stores and get a feel for what's out there.

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      • #4
        JBL still makes 12" bass drivers. Perhaps you'd be interested in the 2206H.

        https://www.jblpro.com/pub/components/2206.pdf
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        • #5
          What JBL doesn't make anymore is musical instrument drivers, like the E120.
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          • #6
            If there was enough space I'd go with a 15" over a 12" their range for hitting a low 41hz open E root note is much better.
            It does depend on the amp however.

            Personally I'd just sell what you have and get something like an Ampeg Portaflex. Simple design, easy to move and sounds great with just about any bass guitar, after all, they practically invented the electric bass.

            In 1946, Everette Hull, an accomplished pianist and bass player, organized a partnership with Stanley Michaels under the name "Michaels-Hull Electronic Labs." Their mission was to produce a new microphone pickup that Hull designed. The pickup was fitted on the end of an upright bass and was dubbed the Amplified Peg or "Ampeg" for short

            In 1949, Hull became the sole proprietor and changed the name of the company to the Ampeg Bassamp Company. Since that time, Ampeg has produced some of the music industry's most innovative and memorable products, satisifying the needs of musicians all over the world. Many of these products feature incredibly unique features and performance capabilities resulting in six U.S. patents under the Ampeg brand name.

            In 1960, a design engineer by the name of Jess Oliver created a combo amplifier with a chasis that could be inverted and tucked inside the speaker enclosure, protecting the inner workings and increasing the portability of the the amp. Nicknammed the "Portaflex," this amplifier became the standard in bass combos throughout the 60's and 70's.
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            • #7
              The new small Traynor amps seem worth checking out.

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              • #8
                Is Yorkville dragging out that trade name again? Former Bassplayer had one of their tube bass amps driving an 18" folded horn. (1971?) WebRep


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by isaac42 View Post
                    What JBL doesn't make anymore is musical instrument drivers, like the E120.
                    Yeah, the 2206H is actually a "woofer" rather than a bass driver. I'd assumed that was what the OP wanted so I didn't mention woofers.
                    The Gallien-Krueger MB112-II is a 1X12 200 Watt unit that claims to be "ultralight" for $400: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Gallien-...09-i2296524.gc. Might be worth a look.
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                    • #11
                      As far as I know, JBL didn't ever make a 12" bass MI driver. In general, though, their MI drivers were almost identical to one of their pro woofers. For instance, the K140 MI bass driver has specs identical to the 2205H driver. The metal dust cap probably gave it a little more high end, but not much. Point being that, where JBLs are concerned, there's very little difference between their MI drivers and their pro woofers. Even the high fidelity woofers were very similar.
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                      • #12
                        It's heavy, but I love my Peavey Tour TNT 115. YMMV
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                        • #13
                          Interesting amp. Will try one this week.

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                          • #14
                            Was considering an Ampeg Portaflex that was on Craigslist. Tried the amp out, when to guitar center the next day and tried out all of their combos. Mark Bass...... I went with the nearly new Ampeg. I've got extra speakers for outdoors already. (Amp is 300 watts at 8 ohms and 500 at 4 ohms.) I think I will be OK with that. It also fills my smaller is better attitude.

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                            • #15
                              Looks like you're all set then. I have an Ampeg PortaBass 228, but it's only 200W and no option to plug into an additional cab. It works OK for practice since I can also run it through the P.A., but I wouldn't trust it at a gig w/o P.A. support. Not quite enough suds.

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